touhou and the popularity poll (Read 798 times)

[spongelevator]

that's right, this thread will encapsule both touhou AND the popularity poll
you know how?
the popularity poll is also a touhou poll
therefore it's touhou AND the popularity poll (title drop), a 2-in-1 buy-one-get-one-free deal!

we only gotta wait

six days fifteen hours eleven minutes and 17 seconds as of that snip and not this post

I dunno what the issue was about but when I did it yesterday on chrome I straight up was unable to submit anything
firefox worked so if you have issues you must do that probably

it is so good that I even added a poll for us to enjoy in our time of wait
that's right, two-for-the-price-of-one AND buy-one-get-one-free!

ok I do not know what to do with this thread after this post
I guess they show your personal choices in a more compact form after it's done because right now they still allow you to change your answers
and it would take many a snips to get all the stuff so I will not do that
so now we wait one week

[lazulum]

Never saw the connection between polls and chickens till now, I have been enlightened.

Will look forward to seeing who wins this year around. I always hope for an upset which bucks the Reimu trend, not that I have anything against Reimu, just makes for a fun happening

[spongelevator]

edit on top because it didn't work on the bottom
twitter.com/toho_vote /status/1445385268731785219 (I put space in the middle so it doesn't make this post particularly long)

it seems some fraudulent votes were found
this likely explains why youmy suddenly had 1.5x the number one votes as last year and also 2nd place
or maybe shizuha going up 20 spaces despite not appearing to have any significant reason for it?

this guy graphed it 
twitter.com/Tortokhod/ status/1445460908231118849
he suspects 2020 had fraudulent votes as well because it's the same thing going on (except half as many #1 votes so I don't think anyone suspected it at the time)







well results are out on official website
and maribelhearn already updated their list
maribelhearn.com/thvote

barely anything of interest here
basically everything is the same as last year except move less popular characters 5-10 slots down to fit in the new characters
youmy still 1st marisa 2nd raymoo 3rd or whatever komeijis then eosd and all that
same with music and works
there was some 19% increase in character voters this year but the questionare results are not out yet so we can't see what that actually means

for some unknown reason youmy suddenly gained 1000 more #1 votes than last year (as well as 1000 more than marisa who was in 2nd place)
marisa got 700 more
and raymoo gained maybe 400

also it's pretty minor but murasa went up like 20 places due to touhou 17.5, coming september 2025
kanakp on the other hand went from 78th to 76th :(
other stuff I noticed was eirin went up 10 places (maybe due to coronavirus or fumo) and joon went down like 25 (gift gonna lose some buxx)
minoriko went up 10 and shizuha went up 20 for unknown reasons
sannyo is 137th, one of the lowest windows characters in the poll possibly because she resembles a handful of other characters who are also unpopular
all the unpopular characters like the fairies going down 10+ places is too sad to bother mentioning so I will move on
I guess the interesting part comes from our results this time around

I seem to have been hit with a spell of incompetence and am currently unable to find where to snip my results
so I shall request that someone else do it and tell me how instead :)))))))))))
if this isn't a thing that can be done I will just write it in text later

ok I just realized that one time aeon snipped from the poll it was during voting and I somehow never saw the bright orange "required"
so I will now type out all my votes to create the longest post ever unless I am able to make spoiler work after this long of not using it

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{popularity poll(0) characters}
1. Renko Usami
2. Maribel Hearn
3. Hecatia Lapislazuli
4. Komachi Onozuka
5. Yoshika Miyako
6. Watatsuki no Toyohime
7. Watatsuki no Yorihime

7 options for a poll featuring 206 options (150 legitimate options unless you really like otter spirit) means you get to choose a whopping 3.4% (or 4.7%) of the cast for your choices
there are about 25 characters I also could have put in that 5-7 so those choices are just the ones I was able to copy and paste most conveniently
the second most convenient would have been seiga/junko/eiki so imagine that is my top 10

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{perfect chicken flavor music and works}
ok for some reason I am only able to use two spoilers
if I use three they combine????
so I just dump the rest in here

music is even worse in that you get to pick 10 choices out of 566, all of which are legitimate options unlike unnamed pc98 red pixel to the left
you can choose 1.8% of the musics in the list aka harvard acceptance rate

1. Voyage 1969
2. Fires of Hokkai
3. Dancing Water Spray
4. Watatsuki's Spell Card ~ Lunatic Blue
5. Dream Palace of the Great Mausoleum
6. Ridiculous Game (went up one spot thanks to this vote)
7. Unknown Flower, Mesmerizing Journey
8. The Far Side of the Moon
9. A Dream that Is More Scarlet than Red
10. Magician's Melancholy

now there once again are at least 20 songs I can think of immediately that could go on this list
higan retour, the purest sky and sea, lunar rainbow, neo super express, satellite cafe terrace, and so many more
basically these were chosen half out of convenience too
but eh it is good choices so it's alright

I did not put pcb here but it lives on within the spirit of the chicken (accidentally)

you actually get to choose a good amount of the works so this one section is good there

1. Hisoutensoku
2. Perfect Memento in Strict Sense / Symposium of Post-mysticism
3. Touhou Bougetsushou
4. Imperishable Night
5. Retrospective 53 minutes

I pretty much just chose my favorite in each category (artbook, music cd, spinoff, main game, manga) and then listed them in the order I liked em
pmiss/sopm seems kinda overpowered because both are already worth a spot but you can vote for both at once lol
also soku is interchangeable with swr I suppose because of story elements
ok now that is all the categories

I have achieved the long post after so long 



ok hopefully this edit does not break the spoilers 
twitter.com/toho_vote /status/1445385268731785219 (I put space in the middle so it doesn't make this post particularly long)
it seems some fraudulent votes were found
this likely explains why youmy suddenly had 1.5x the votes or something

[Aeon]

DUDE im so slow getting a bit crushed by my classes and also decision to make a flash game within the span of three days i straight up missed the entire voting period woke up the day after remembered it and realized i was too late
ill read all the posts here and post my votes from last year tomorrow right now its late

[spongelevator]

very well
slowness aint too bad actually because of the new voting fraud issue that popped up
it's still not been resolved though it's been some five or six days since then so we must wait regardless lol
if you wish you can also pretend you voted this year for comedic effect

[lazulum]

Youmu is sort of unexpected, I guess she's been featured in a lot of content in some way?

I'm not complaining though, Youmu has a very cool design. The half-ghost aspect is creatively represented and she's a skilled bladeswoman/gardener. Loyalty is a good quality, too

[spongelevator]

youmy has not shown up in a major role in any official media though I've heard a few people say there is some alternate color version in lost word that is "really powerful"
I don't know what that means but it seems lost word players at least might have a reason to like her suddenly
though I have no way to know for sure I wouldn't expect more than a handful of touhou fans to actually play lost word and even fewer would also participate in the poll
otherwise I have not heard any good reason for this sudden spike in first place votes

she is pretty fun with the

though many suspect it's voter fraud
and when questioned with her winning in 2020 people looked back and began to also suspect those results
now there are very many people looking at results from previous years or for other characters trying to prove her innocence or show that she suddenly gained 500 and then 1000 first place votes with little good reason

it's been almost two weeks with no word from the official tohovote twitter but it seems speculation about this has pretty much died due to a lack of new information
so I guess we shall continue to wait and see what changes

[Aeon]

over a week in the making lets go aeon finally goes to the other computer to find the files and post. was behind in half of my classes: now i am not

so situation number one: voting fraud. heard about it from perldrop but man someone really wanted ghostgirl to win. kinda surprised it hasn't happened before even with their secure votesystems

as always so happy to see the fortune teller beat out so many of the named cast, both windows and pc98. the flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long. it looks like last place out of any dude with any reasonable amount of screentime goes to sara.
for a newcomer i think chimata placed pretty high, makes sense, she's a cool one. most of them sunk pretty far down, though

very surprised miyoi didn't score higher with her having been the effective protag of lotus eaters for a while, maybe it's because she's manga-only

sucks that the same homies always get the top spots, they're cool but one day i wanna see some kinda michael or medicine randomly take the gold

i couldn't even find most of my results from last year so i'll just make some new ones

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{characters}
Maribel Hearn
Renko Usami
Fujiwara no Mokou
Marisa Kirisame
Sumireko Usami
Koishi Komeiji
Yukari Yakumo
Hong Meiling
Reimu Hakurei
and we can put Minamitsu Murasa on because god damn it i wanna play 17.5 and she is still ballin

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{music}
Necrofantasia
Welcome to the Moon Tour
Last Occultism ~ Esotericist of the Present World
Now, Until the Moment You Die
G Free
Satellite Café Terrace
Night Falls ~ Evening Star
Reach for the Moon, Immortal Smoke
The Sea Where One's Home Planet Reflects
Merry, the Magician

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{works}
Imperishable Night
Magical Astronomy
Silent Sinner in Blue
Unconnected Marketeers
Cage in Lunatic Runagate
Retrospective 53 Minutes
Hisoutensoku
Urban Legend in Limbo
Violet Detector
Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom

it's all outta ten because i didn't realize it wasn't supposed to be until i was mostly done. oops

spongelevator
thank you for the massive coverage of the event and for making the thread sorry for telling you to make the thread and then snoozing forever

this chart: suspicious in a different way

is the wealth (popularity (this can kinda mean wealth for youkai)) gap that big in gensokyo? can't even escape capitalism in gensokyo

spongelevator, my friend, how are you simply so cool? you look at a character list like that you know a guy is set. kogasa may have fell out of your favor but i still see nothing but gigachads there

literally had never heard this lunatic blue track until just now despite the relevant name. sounds like a pc98 soundfont during bougetsushou era? funky
you are making me realize just how much zunmusic i've still yet to find with that and magician's melancholy. 566 is a lot, huh?

and yeah 10 isnt enough spaces for any of these categories. gensokyo is big and i really had to push to put lolk even on the list and it's one of my favorites

lazulum
youmu is a pretty sensible top pick, yeah.
stylish and sharp design, weird but cool shot, talks and names spellcards funnily, and most importantly, swords. can't go wrong there

[spongelevator]

still tohovote has not revealed what becometh of this peculiar situation
maybe when (wait for it) when a certain touhou game 17.5 (keep waiting longer) comes out, these results also shall? (wait 'till ya can't wait no mo)
I dunno two weeks aint long but for a poll like this I have no idea if it should take that amount of time
maybe they've got l33t h4ck3rbr0s scouring the votes for the definitive piece of evidence they need to incriminate youmy of voter fraud once and for all I don't know
such a lust for popularity... WHOOOOOOOO (rigged the touhou 2021 election?)

I am guessing the gensokyo vote gap is due to everyone recognizing those uuh
10 or so most popular characters and as a result they get more popular and more fanworks
the cycle continues and that's how you end up with youmy's 3000 first place votes as opposed to sannyo's 10
poor girl cannot even afford a chicken dinner with the rising vote inflation (40k voters as opposed to last year's 35k lowers the value of the vote)
with miyoi in particular though she was an antagonistic character for like 3 chapters and now she's just the "get me another beer" girl unlike kasen's obvious spoiler for 45 chapters or suzers who reads those sinful books forbidden by her parents
a sad case of villain turned side character in her own manga, forced to wander the 90th places for all eternity



also mfw when:
ichirin, star, luna, meru, (pc98 characters who I do not know anything about), yatsuhashi, lyrica, takane, ringo, eternity larva, sunny, reisen2, narumi, (dolls in pseudo paradise jacket girl has cool design but literally does not exist or have a name but I put her here anyway along with her unnamed unrelated non-canon shrine maiden friend), urumi, sannyo, kisume, unzan, eika, and even the GIANT CATFISH HIMSELF score lower than fortune teller :(((((
alas, tis reality...


I see you have rebelled against the 7-10-5 format
(had it not been for music limitations I too would have voted for Welcome to the Moon Tour, Satellite Café Terrace, The Sea Where One's Home Planet Reflects, and Merry, the Magician)
good, very good, but I'm going even further

that's right, a top FIFTY (in no particular order)
all of these S-Ranked soldiers are worthy of a position on mother base (don't want none them E ranks)
aint no pollmasters gonna stop me here
kogasa can finally live once more
not only that, 1.8% is a thing of the past

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{[10, ∞)}
favorite tracks? try this:
Dolls in Pseudo Paradise
Ghostly Field Club
Changeability of Strange Dream
Retrospective 53 minutes
Magical Astronomy
Unknown Flower, Mesmerizing Journey
Trojan Green Asteroid
Neo-traditionalism of Japan
Dr. Latency's Freak Report
Dateless Bar "Old Adam"
Immaterial and Missing Power OST
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody OST
Touhou Hisoutensoku OST
Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red CD
Seasonal Dream Vision CD
Perfect Memento in Strict Sense CD
Grimoire of Marisa CD
Silent Sinner in Blue CD
Eastern and Little Nature Deity CD
Strange and Bright Nature Deity CD 1
Strange and Bright Nature Deity CD 2
Strange and Bright Nature Deity CD 3
Oriental Sacred Place CD 1
Oriental Sacred Place CD 2
Oriental Sacred Place CD 3
Forbidden Scrollery CD
that's right, 250 tracks are my 10 favorite tracks in touhou
44.2% of the tracks is my top 10 best tracks
(japes aside if you have not heard all of the musics from whatever manga/artbooks/whatever I would quite recommend it
the best stuff is hidden away in those)

and favorite games? pieces of media? anything and everything other than 7.5, 13.5, 14.5, 15.5, and atari breakout
though to be honest that is the only part of the voting I can actually say I was able to vote properly on so yes we are all bougetsushou friends here

touhou popularity poll might not let me vote for 24.3% of characters, 44.2% of the tracks and 91% of works, but this does not stop me! I shall complete this sentence and click "Create Post", with no 7-10-5 limits getting in the way!
that's right, I'm really gonna do it
in 3... 2... 1...

edit: I clicked the button

[Aeon]

spongelevator only making the fattest zunstuff appreciation posts lemme get back to you with a substantial list of my own but for now lemme see this top fifty
so much variety in here i'm seein stuff from classic windows to manga all the way to unconnected marketeers. i have no idea what that lil komachi keychain is stuck to but hopefully shes havin fun

i have a komachi of my own laying around among the countless pixeldudes ive made so i offer this

i had not the slightest clue half of those cds you listed existed. silent sinner in blue is a mmm book where they even gonna fit the music? page 34 ready to hit me with a treble clef or what

although my copy of bohemian archive in japanese red has a disc i thought that was a one time thing

i will have to listen to em and compile a list of the best superesoteric touhou tunes

[spongelevator]

very good we shall not be chained down by the likes of tohovote popularity poll with their voting fraud and too few options to choose limit
though to be honest I originally was gonna make the joke be top 50 so I suppose the limit is myself(there are more characters that should be in there but it would get too messy)
had to make sure they all have good ranking 



she is being fultoned
in a few minutes she'll be mopping the floors of mother base or developing a water gun to make that job easier probably I do not know
your offering shall be the emblem of this PF, lunatic dogs (rabies)
I cannot fit it into here because the 3 attachments limit strikes once more

a lot of the artbooks and mangas have a cd just tossed in a crusty pouch glued onto on the back cover
though later books stop having them as frequently and I don't think the most recent stuff has any music cds at all (looking at you grimoire of usami)

and on the opposite side the one recognized artbook ZUN made I think a single song and that one pofv story in has a 10 inch long giant ass box with a fancy cd case that exactly matches the image printed within (and it's placed in vertically so it only looks good in the box)
this box holds a single cd


ah, the duality of man


also I am 50% sure and 50% not sure that you already mentioned the existence of this
but I will put it here anyway just in case I'm in the coin lands on tails universe
en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/ZUN%27s_Strange_Works
I don't know if they count but these are probably the ZUN works I have heard mentioned the least
never actually heard them I just left the tab open until chrome crashed and then forgot
if this is heads universe you can ignore this paragraph

[spongelevator]

after only three and a half months, the recounted votes have finally been released
for some reason a few weeks to a month after the original recount tweet rumors started going around that the votes already were recounted and nothing changed but those were false
who knows how that was even able to spread because it would imply either nobody checked or there were fake new results but eh here's the real deal

the results of the recounted votes are...
nothing changed! except now it's so late that nobody even cares about it anymore
that "nobody cares" includes me so I'm literally only going to compare top 10 and the things I mentioned last time I was here


pretty much everyone just lost 50-100 points if they were in top 5 and the rest are so minor it doesn't even matter
considering how suspicious youmy's results have been in the past few years this absolute lack of any real notable difference fails to even be noteworthy enough for anyone to care which is why I have seen a total of zero people who actually want to look at the changes other than her and shizuha (ok a little while after making this post I found ONE guy who cared to look at the differences in results and saw tsukumos and yamame dropped 8 spots) and the only way I found out the recount finished was through reloading the twitter daily
it's not like the popularity poll people can create an issue to solve to make it interesting but this was really not worth waiting for at all

shizuha went from 77 to 93 but then again it's just "unpopular character is even more unpopular"
I guess this can fuel "voting fraud" jokes for the next week assuming everyone didn't already make the joke three and a half months ago when they expected this to happen

other than that uhhhh kanakp went from 78 to 76th as I said earlier
and now she went from 76th back to 78th
murasa went from 49th to 51st
eirin didn't move
joon went up one 
minoriko went down six
sannyo went down one
and just for funsies I will pick one fairy and see how their placement changed
star sapphire went from 112 to 114

I don't know why everyone seems to have gone down two places and why the top 5 all lost like 50-100 points but eh I don't really care enough to find out and probably nobody out there does either
welll now I'm seeing people saying they don't buy it and that the recount is inaccurate because it provides zero explanation for the main issue but honestly I did the poll once and I think that's enough for me so I don't care either way
to make this post have utility and not just be "nothing happened, I don't care and you don't either" though I will redirect you to post in uhhh
"Happy New Years!" to read the edit from jan 14 2022 at 19:00 because it got bumped down too far to reasonably be seen and I am too lazy to copy and paste
if you do not go there it's basically just "I will reply to post at end of month, maybe later, if nothing goes wrong"

could have sworn I edited this like two days later but apparently I didn't
so I will make the edit now:
end of month my ass
I shall post it when it is completed I suppose lol dunno when that is but I swear it will not be as long a wait as hearnpost or barkley post (delayed until 2023 a la 17.5) unless I go into a (9) year coma or something

[Aeon]

touhou and the popularity poll 5 ~ ultimate vengeance

i've gone a bit blasphemous these past few months. my lists are mostly unchanged but my new radical and dangerous opinions can be seen, for which one day i will surely be punished by some sort of governing force.

DUDES:
Maribel Hearn
Renko Usami
Marisa Kirisame
Yukari Yakumo
Kotohime
Hong Meiling
FORTUNE TELLER

MUSIC:
Necrofantasia
Welcome to the Moon Tour
Last Occultism ~ Esotericist of the Present World
Now, Until the Moment You Die
G Free
Satellite Café Terrace
The Yorimashi Sits Between Dream and Reality ~ Necro-Fantasia

Reach for the Moon, Immortal Smoke
The Sea Where One's Home Planet Reflects
Merry, the Magician

STUFF:
Imperishable Night
Magical Astronomy
"Bougetsushou"
Unconnected Marketeers
Retrospective 53 Minutes

the diff:
+kotohime
+fortune teller
+meiling
-sumireko
-koishi
-mokou

how do i justify these changes? i do not. i am a loose cannon. fortune teller had a point. kotohime is awesome by virtue of mine and tsun's visual novels. mokou is awesome but not as awesome as blatant hifuu favoritism.

MUSIC:
+the yorimashi sits between dream and reality
-night falls, evening star

alright jokers. time to fess up. which one of you punks made this translation
i'm looking at 憑坐は夢と現の間に　～ Necro-Fantasia. where is the "sits". why not translate yorimashi. what is up with that. i opened 15.5 and beat the first story mode just to unlock it in the music room just to find out that this was not tasofro's fault. no idea how to find whose fault it is on the thpatch so i'm keeping you all in for detention until someone confesses
"oh well aeon if YOU'RE so smart why don't YOU make a translation"
that i already have, lemme go over what's up with it.
so we start with the romanization for visibility's sake: yorimashi ha yume to gen no aida ni ~ Necro-Fantasia
yorimashi. yorimashi?

ah, yes. yorimashi.
i'll go with "vessel". doesn't have every part of the word's meaning but it's better than the nothing current translation does.
apparently the mashi is also the kanji for sitting, so that might be where the "sits" part of the translation comes from
"ha" is a particle, ignoring it because i'm not good enough at japanese to articulate what it means but it is part of a functioning sentence
"yume to gen", "dream and reality". simple enough. so far we're at "vessel [unknown] dream and reality"
"no aida", aida is space, no is possessive, the space of dream and reality. considering we have two targets i'm going to say it's "between". "vessel inbetween the space of dream and reality"
and finally, "ni". now this is the most important part.
mostly because it does not mean very much. "ni" is also a particle, kinda indicates that something is going on with a location. i'm not one billion percent on it but i know the vibes and i ALSO know that you are not ending a sentence with ni. you need a verb after it to say what is going on with the subject and the identified location.
yet there is no verb! from there we just get the "~ necro-fantasy" part. it is an intentionally unfinished sentence! i think
so: it oughta be translated unfinished. we don't know what is going on with our subject (vessel) and our location (between the space of dream and reality)
thus: "In the Space Between Dream and Reality, the Vessel- ~ Necro-Fantasia"

anyway thats what i put in seventh place. lazulum i humbly request your review on this translation because of the chance that none of this is correct. the hyphen and then the squiggly is a bit awkward, but that was the best way i could think of to convey that it is cut off

STUFF:
+bougetsushou
-silent sinner in blue
-cage in lunatic runagate

apparently those two are both categorized as bougetsushou! they probably were last time, too! it makes more sense for them to be seperate in my list but for the accuracy to voting tool i combined em this time

i wonder if they're doing anything to make the vote not-bustable this time. we will have to wait and see

[lazulum]

You're exactly right with 「夢と現の間に」, as for 「憑坐」, the second character is not even in the Joyo list (it's a rare one). Looked for an explanation and here is what I found:

It has a few different meanings so it depends on the context which I am out of the loop on. What it says above is:
A person used as the representative object of a divine spirit (basically "possess" or "inhabit").
A divine spirit called on by a shaman to speak (some kind of divine message) using a woman or child.
Dolls have also been used to this end. Afterward they are thrown in the river though.

Hopefully that is helpful!

[Aeon]

that is very helpful! thanks for looking over my scattered jabs at translation
i guess the "vessel" that i used might not be the best. maybe "medium" or "envoy"? i put a bit of thought into it partially because i'm planning on using the song at one point in a game of mine, so good to have the details ironed out.