Is it just me or EoSD pretty easy? (Read 1,285 times)

[0of64]

Maybe it's just me getting a little better at danmaku but I'm finding EoSD a lot more easier than I thought it was. (Im playing on normal w/ a controller)

Like even with Sakuya's time stop, all I have to do is just... move out of the way. And despite Remi being the final boss n all, I had a much harder time with Yuyu and Erien.

Though one spellcard in particular can suck egg Eyes Pacthouli's blue spellcard with the lasers

I haven't 1cced the game yet mind you bc I keep dying like the 1 braincelled headass that I am

[spongelevator]

it aint like I've beaten any of them other than IN easy but early windows (6-8) is generally known as the easiest 2hus
usually PCB and IN are said to be easier than EoSD though and in both of those I've gotten to the final spell card of final boss then died when I played on normal
yuyu tipped me over the border of life and eirin sent me to the stars
while in EoSD I've only gotten past stage 5 when I was playing on the really crap craptop that played it at 50% slowdown (also I lost my last continue on remi's last nonspell that time lol)
since I have not legitimately beaten sakuya and remi I have no idea if they are harder than youmy/yuyu/reisen(reisen is piss easy)/eirin/guya (half of which I haven't beaten either lol) but I can say with confidence that I can beat up to beginning of stage 4 in all of those games on hard without one death or bomb or deathbomb and then lose ALL of my continues by the middle of stage 5 regardless of difficulty
EoSD has the hardest stage 4 but the easiest 1-3 out of these I would say

people also say LLS+MS but I can't see shit when I'm playing those so I'm gonna say those are not easy due to singular white bullet on crusty background
also people who already get 1ccs will say MoF or TD but I feel the inability to just continue where you are in a stage makes those only easy if you're already good so people who say to recommend MoF to beginners should not do that :(
I've seen people say UM is the easiest to lunatic 1cc specifically because the cards apparently allow you to patch up weaknesses and bad habits without having to actually learn how to fix those like older games made you
only ever played the demo though so unlike with LLS+MS and MoF+TD I can't confirm or unconfirm this but I've heard it a good amount
heard somewhat similar things about WBaWC and its beast spirits too but usually not as much and I also have not played that so I wouldn't know
I think that's all the games said to be easy 



ok to hit my 500 word count minimum I shall edit this some six hours later 
I have only EoSD and PCB on here and since there is a three attachment limit I decided to try playing those two and UM to go as far as I could on normal with continues
I haven't actually played any non-multiplayer 2hu in probably 5-6 months 
but I will compare my results here

in EoSD I got to the middle of sakuya fight
ended up using a continue in the middle of stage 3 because I can no longer beat the first three stages without deaths apparently (didn't bomb because I forgot lol)
and stage 4 was a massive difficulty spike so I just resorted to bombspam in 4-5 until I got game over
not sure if I would have gotten further had it been june but eh
I tried screenshotting the results screen but it literally just didn't screenshot so there was probably some specific button I had to press
oh well

PCB was significantly easier
I got to the end of the youmy fight without using even one continue
lives were handed out like candy and bombs were also plentiful but I didn't even need to begin using either until stage 4 
only time I died 1-3 was on stage 1 chillno midboss (I guess she is the strongest)
in fact, the game was so generous with lives and bombs that I accidentally beat it for the first time despite being significantly worse than my usual low skill level
ended up using the majority of my continues in yuyu fight and basically spammed bombs for both defensive and offensive purposes whenever I saw something and thought "aw hell no"
and the final spell card wasn't particularly difficult so I could just bomb whenever I was about to die

I suppose the fact that I just spammed bombs means I can't actually rank the difficulty considering I didn't truly "play" the yuyu fight but
well the damage is done so I gonna finish this post

UM was probably the most difficult
I still don't really know how the card system works but I've seen people start the game with the centipede and remi fang and all that so I'm guessing some amount of cards pass over or are saved after beating the game once and the first playthrough is probably the actually difficult one
all I had before using my third continue was the michael card and the kagerou card so I can't really comment on that
the stages were probably about the same difficulty other than the extremely light colored sannyo bullets that made me go through an entire set of lives in like 30 seconds because I could barely see them (though michael's theme made me want to close the game so I suppose that one was the most psychologically challenging)
kagerou card made it easier to kill stuff faster so I understand what's being said but after using like six continues and getting to the beginning of stage 5 I either accidentally chose to quit the game or it turns out there weren't infinite continues and I got booted 
so I wasn't able to finish the game to retry it with the best cards and see if it suddenly becomes piss easy PCB tier
basically I request someone who has completed UM and does have experience with the cards to write their own 1000 word essay because I have no idea wink wink nudge nudge 

fuuuck 971 words oh my god (I still do not know if bad poo poo words are against the rules because I don't see it stated directly but there needs to be one here to express a 971 words response to the question)

[Aeon]

eosd kills me because i die and have bombs remaining. this is the reason why i lose almost every nonautobomb run but in eosd it happens more than otherwise
the bullet patterns are not the most complex but they kinda come outta nowhere sometimes like with remilia's big blasts and classic cirno nonspell 1. sakuya, whose ability is coming out of nowhere, is actually pretty easy to see coming

spongelevator
um is the easiest to lunatic 1cc because of many reasons but it is probably one of the hardest to do if you haven't unlocked all the starting card slots. how it works: once you pick up a card, you can forever choose it for your starting slot(s). you start with only one slot, but get a second one upon beating the game, and a third upon beating extra. in extra itself, you always have 3 card slots
the biggest buff is picking up eirin's autobomb for the first time, because then you can carry it with you forever unless you are turbospeedrunning. literally no reason to not always have that on you and it makes the game simply so much more bearable
a reasonable thing to do is beat the game on a lower difficulty so you unlock the second card slot before trying your main difficulty (i did not do this however)

i now see the line where i am encouraged to write an essay
okay
so
heres the details about how to have a successful run in touhou eighteen

STEP ONE:
do not play marisa
i am sorry she is still bad

STEP TWO:
acquire aforementioned eirin's autobomb and permanently equip it. if you would otherwise lose a life, expend two bombs to not die.

STEP THREE:
look for high power offensive items. stuff like the orbitals that block shots are inconsistent at best and realistically useless. here's my tier list on what offensive non-active cards are the best:

SS: momoyo
S: suwako
A: marisa unfoc, marisa foc
B: sakuya foc, sakuya unfoc, wolf
C: reimu foc, sanae foc, shanghai, reimu unfoc
D: myon, cirno
E: sanae unfoc

you can unlock the focused versions of each characters cards by clearing the game with them
basically anything below c tier does entirely negligible damage and if its your best option you should just buy a life instead (incredibly viable option always, do not ignore the life item that is always in stock)

offensive items and your family: what is safe for my human to go out with?
i'll tell you straight up: ms. toyosatomimi no miko-san has the best general use active ability in the game. it clears a majority of the bullets over the span of like two seconds, deals a decent amount of damage to enemies, and recharges often enough to be used every third boss attack. okuu may seem like the best choice (makes you invincible and deals massive damage for a massive period of time) but you can only use it once every other stage at best while miko could go off over ten times per stage
raiko's is also pretty good, you just have a maiden pit whenever you feel like it
unless you are speedrunning i wouldn't recommend remilia's, it puts you in a lotta danger (but is really powerful)

you wanna start with or really early get items that give you lives or bombs over time, really nice to be able to walk past mike with a whole ass four life pieces from narumi's card

so thats how to win but what are you gonna be facing well let me tell you

stage one: you are gonna have to remember where things spawn if you dont wanna be burning bombs right at the start but not too tough. as hard as hsifs stage 1
mike: second spellcard could whiff ya but he goes down fast and nonspells are free. easier than wriggle
stage two: streaming and thats it. thats all i got
heres where damage is gonna start to matter, her spellcards are not ones you wanna linger on and the nonspells you really gotta get in the flow for. probably kagerou-level
stage 3: streaming and some not streaming. very early wbawc-like
komakusa: her nonspells are basically criminal but if you have any defensive items, especially raiko, you can make it through without too many bombs. her spellcards aren't super tough and she isn't hard to hit. around as hard as futo but shorter
stage 4: this one gets a lot easier if you know whats coming although the miniboss really puts pressure on ya. more streaming. probably like imperishable night stage 4.
maru: reverse of komakusa, her nonspells are not so bad but spellcards can be dangerous. there's one in the middle that just charges up a big fart and then farts it. they are also, however, easily resolved with a defensive weapon and none of them start up particularly quickly. i dunno, like keine difficulty
stage 5: this is lolk stage 4 and 5 part two. that is just all there is to it aside from the foxgirl
The Venerable Megumu Iizunamaru: she is pretty dangerous i will be real with ya. when she pulls out the lasers its not so bad, but she has weird wiggly bullets on lock. you can't even really power through her as much so defensive actives are good here. kinda sagume difficulty
stage 6: shit is tanky as hell! dont even try to kill all the fairies unless your momoyo meter is capped. unlike most stage 6s this one actually seems like its trying to kill you instead of being cinematic and stuff. mof stage 4-like
CHIMATA TENKYUU: more like chimata thankyou for all these easy ass spellcards bruv. 3 and 4 are basically free and the final spellcard falls apart in the face of defensive items and bombs. the others are not the easiest, the first one requires getting a good rhythm and knowing whats going to happen, the second one is very pressuring, and penultimate is just like a stronger version of her nonspells. futo-like, again.
EXTRA STAGE: I HATE THE EXTRA STAGE. you have to memorize it. makes you move around a lot and is very pressuring in the second half. i don't even know what to compare it to. rms stage 5-like if it was EVIL and did not have the cool instruments.
MO YO MO MUSHIHIME-SAMA: hmm yes this is a very fine extra stage boss it is tastefully flavored with a main blend of okina and koishi with nonspells as blunt as flandre followed by a hint of lumen celeritas. most refreshing


the hardest touhou game is lolk on ultramarine mode and the easiest is lolk on not legacy mode (with reisen) thank you for attending my seminar

[spongelevator]

I don't know if by "coming out of nowhere" you mean it's unexpectedly pain in the ass or like
literally happens too quickly to react
but if it's the latter yeah that is one of the things that made PCB much easier
because when you're fighting letty or whoever the hell there's like four seconds of chargeup before the spellcard comes out
so you can just sit there and shotgun the hell out of them and you know when it's time to move away because the nice snow lady will gently throw a singular snowball at you and warn you to move out of the way before it hits

ok if you get three card slots where you can put the best cards before the game even starts it definitely sounds like a weird reverse difficulty spike
new game plus type 999hp/999mp moment

wait so is the to!yo!sa!to!mi!mi!no!mi!ko! card basically just like
a bomb except it doesn't cost a bomb (well a defensive bomb but eh same thing to me)
danger is good
if you want to taste their blood you must risk spilling your own (chad 3cc hyperaggressive play)

ok I may have requested this 1000 word essay but I literally didn't even realize that "life pieces" and the weird circular enemy health bar have existed in the series for a while until like three days ago so I will say uhhhhh
yes, shooting the enemy is very important to win the game. 100/100
the answer is in the heart of the cards!

(yes I know it's not pentagram)
I am sorry hopefully one who knoweth more can learn from this essay and become the 1cc

aint not legacy=ultramarine=pointdevice
unless you meant to say adding reisen made it the easiest and I read wrong (ok I'm pretty sure I read it wrong but the backspace button is for chumps)

I did LoLK legacy nomaru modo to see this reisen thing because I have heard reisen makes the game piss easy b4
and man her bomb lets you die thrice without dying 
so all the bosses I was completely outmatched on and had no hopes of beating normally (ringo was harder than youmy) had to kill me to death if they wanted me to die when I was killed
I could literally just set the bomb up every time it ran out and never have to worry about deathbombing (I could not easily see when that happened though but someone with eyes can make good use of this strategy)
and if I ever thought "man what in god's name is this hellspawn of piss" I could just go directly up beneath the boss and piss back with my 3 deaths per bomb and 3 bombs per life so they die in like 10 seconds
I probably died like 40 times before actually getting to the first continue at do re mi (and then deciding it's probably best not to go any further)
if I was not Sponge "bullets can't be dodged and this is america" E. Levator perhaps I would have been able to clear it with one handful of tricks and ten minutes of skill
but alas I am only going to play tue hue 12.3 hisoutensoku for two hours a month and nothing else for the next five months again

also I know this is "is eosd pretty easy" and not "is eosd the easiest game in the series" but hey in this more versatile format we have managed to find (probably) the easiest normal clear, the easiest lunatic 1cc, and the easiest normal 1cc
tis the scientific method
if you do not know how to do a thing then just do another thing and good results will come your way

[Aeon]

i meant it happens too quickly to react yeah. cirno especially even if you can react, you'll be in a bad spot for burst two and three

miko's card is basically as you said, a bomb that takes time instead of bombs
danger is very good if you want to go fast but then you also want a really specific set of cards that are specically chosen to be undecremented in the pool and you need two diff tools (binary file command line diff tool and git) so you can have that setup every run and i still haven't set up the optimal save and damn it my runs were beaten

you can get 1cc i believe in you and the power of drugs (autobomb)

you're right, i both forgot what pointdevice was called and put not legacy when i really meant not not legacy
and yeah basically reisen is 3x the bombing power, 2x the shooting power, and best of all, funny bunny. if you combine that with going for graze, you can get hit three times every attack and still be at a profit. when you play on harder difficulties this partially gets easier since more bullets = more graze = more hp