Something like Lunatic Red anniversary (Read 484 times)

[Aeon]

Jun 25, 2020 9:19:11 GMT spongelevator said:

yeah I just found out about the existence of this place very recently
literally posting anything feels like necroposting the entire forum lol
I dunno if you or anyone else stuck around but I may as well give it a shot too
I'm basically a secondary because I listen to touhou music and read doujins but I could never beat EoSD so I didn't see the story of the games yet
I have no idea how this forum stuff works but it's quite sad seeing "Last Post: 2014" on half the stuff in here
If someone sees this then you better respond alright it'll maybe be worth it

post that started it all
dead forum turned slightly undead

thank you everyone for the posts over the past just over a year it has been awesome and will hopefully continue to be awesome
at first it was just novel getting some stuff in on a forum in 2021 and i never thought we would be able to keep it up but we did even if we often take it easy
and of course sponge and lazulum many thanks for not just happening on lunaticred.proboards.com in your internet travels with extraordinarily nice timing but for stickin around and always makin cool big ol posts

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HALL OF FAME
in order of first post since the spongening:
spongelevator (06/25/20) (2:19 am)
Aeon (06/25/20) (2:38 pm)
Viral (07/02/20)
kaossakana (07/03/20)
lazulum2 (07/04/20)
ebbxxx (07/??/20)
lazulum (07/14/20)
carpet (08/07/20)
DDdreamer (08/14/20)
peachtreat (09/30/20)
shofi (10/05/20)
xxebb1993xx (11/06/20)
TSUN (03/03/21) (12:52 am)
Mokou (03/03/21) (10:08 pm)
Bronxkidd/Jordan (04/04/21)

on a related note i have still been thinkin about posting about the forum in some places like r/touhou and a few discords. the amount of people who go for clicking around is probably few and the people who actually make an account and post even fewer but hey maybe more dudes and we may even be able to fill out a whole game of among us or hold some kinda fighting game tournament
so tell me if thats super funky rad or if i should not do it very much because i dont wanna potentially blow it up overnight without warning or anything

ive got a funny lil lunatic thing or two in store so stay tuned

also i never figured out what was up with those dates on the gensokyo timeline. enigmas have only multiplied since then. yukari if youre reading this i will win your twisted information battle

[spongelevator]

after over a year I still have not beaten eosd
got to remi and died on what was possibly the last nonspell due to having something like 99.31% completion
then again 50% of what I played was multiplayer pofv so I have too high expectation

very good that you did respond and indeed twas worth it
sorry for sucking up your time


I do not think I ever utilized sponge funny until now so it will be the beginning of a new era of this undead forum


I still have not heard anything about the timeline so all I know is it's more a generally accepted thing than an actually 100% foolproof map of the 4th dimension and probably beyond such people as us unless we eat our smartgummies

like how merry and renko is supposed to be in 2151 or whenever I forgot even though we know ZUN didn't go spend 9999 days researching it and making sure it fit exactly with his master plan to develop time travel technology and gain gap powers to create gensokyo real

I would await lunatic red missionary excursions until others makes the decision to not affect my alignment (real do not want +5 law) but if nobody is sure then I shall consult the random number generator
1-50 are no 51-100 are yes and it's out of 101
if we get 101 then that means we flip a coin and if it's heads then no and tails then yes
landing on side means we shuffle a deck of cards and this joke lost its entertainment value so I will cease to type such a thing but you get the point


edit of the first degree
I just remembered that in the past 15 or so months I'd seen a decent amount of people say they wanted a touhous forum that's actually active again
I am not sure exactly where I've seen this (I can think of at least 5 places or more right now) but if I see anyone who has such wishes I shall mention here
I don't think I saw any such people since the first time this topic was brought up but eh if someone wishes for forum eventually this is a place

[lazulum]

㊗Merry anniversary㊗

Aeon

お疲れ様 on the hall of fame, forgot about many of those posts. Maybe some of them will drop by again at some point.

If you don't mind go for it. Sorry I don't really do anything in the way of promoting the forum, wouldn't really know how to go about it anymore.

I'll look forward to the Lunatic surprise.

spongelevator

That Photobucket aesthetic is top quality, top a e s t h e t i c
I'll have to get in on that one of these days haha

[Aeon]

spongelevator
godspeed on the eosd completion it is official lunatic red achievement when completed

thank you for the smarty pants junko i will use them to spend 9999 days researching obscure and irrelevant touhou data so i can figure out the artistic and cultural references in mokous t shirt

lazulum
people come and go but it was cool to see how many have dropped by and contributed since the start of last year, way more than i expected

don't worry about promotion, i think i miiiight have enough of a minor presence in a touhou place on discord or two to get the word out

[spongelevator]

in my many bumpings of threads I did not respond to and for some reason just now chose to respond to I remembered about the timeline thing
and so I came back here in what is almost certainly the wrong place to respond but it's also so right because we live in the wild west of forum

a few months ago I just went and looked at the timeline on the wiki for a good ol while and dumped all my findings in a notepad for later
I guess now is later
though I can't explain EXACTLY how it works I am gonna guess neither of us understood it to any degree so this post is not entirely useless
by the way since season is already in use I'm gonna refer to the time measurement of seasons as
well
seasons
and the actual seasons (winter, spring, summer, fall) as "quarters" because I have no idea how to say those without having to list them every time otherwise lamo

as warned on the wiki this is all conjecture and it's entirely possible the way I found how the dates worked is even weaker than the methods they used (though this is still pretty decent)
but like 70% of touhou canon is weak conjecture based off of 5 lines of dialogue anyway so in 2hus spirit here we go:


this image of ray moo, titled "Hakurei Festival Records - Distant, Hazy Moon" on the wiki (the page is miscellaneous illustrations by ZUN), was drawn by ZUN on august 14, 2005
he spoke of the whole sixty-years flower event, and ended it with "This year is that 60th year."
it sounds very very stupid but this alone is actually enough to get a general sense of the entire timeline (or to begin creation of one)
I forgot where but I believe ZUN also stated that touhou takes place in current day, meaning we can assume pretty strongly that PoFV takes place around 2005 or so
if it turns out he didn't say this it could be possible that 2hus takes place in 2065 or something because iphones and whatever already exist and fall into gensokyo
I'd hope that there isn't still sumireko talking about how she'll cancel raymoo on twitter or whatever 44 years from now in touhou canon
but I am gonna go on assuming ZUN actually did say this so uuh



BAiJR, being the first time the season system was used, places articles and incidents in seasons
and PoFV is in season 120
EoSD is in 118 and PCB is in 119 which would place them in 2003 and 2004 respectively which is weird because that's a year after they were released
in marisa's article (which took place in season 118) the scarlet mist incident was said to take place "one month ago" and marisa (in current day) says it was "about two years ago" which means it definitely is supposed to be in 2003 and not 2002
this also shows that seasons basically equal years because an article written two seasons ago took place "about two years ago" so we can be sure that seasons are not quarters
ZUN said 2005 was the same year as PoFV so we really only have a single real-life year to go on and it makes some stuff kinda weird like that though

either way go back 120 seasons/years and you reach 1885, which is a very familiar number
the estimated year in which the hakurei barrier was created
I am guessing season 0 is the beginning of gensokyo and not just some arbitrary starting point and the wiki also states that 1885 is an assumption but we know there's at least been 120 years since its creation
past that though, you can kinda only tell that things take place in chronological order and maybe be able to narrow down the seasons by the quarter the media takes place in
if you look at stuff on the timeline past SoPM, which was the last time the "season" system showed up more than like
twice in a book 
it's all pretty vague
it goes from near-precise dates to general dates to months to literally just the quarter
you are literally able to tell when ZUN released an artbook because all the dates on the timeline around those years are precise (well except for SoPM because those take place all over the timeline) compared to "this one is in winter of this year probably"
you can see if they say "the cherry blossoms are pretty" or "it's so cold" and narrow down the quarter and year it takes place in and since the mangas are chronological you can put a timeline together that way
but there's not much else for newer stuff (past 2012)

I don't know exactly how they narrowed down the months but probably it's the same process as just putting things in chronological order
I don't really get how stuff like
this 
manages to have a date that takes place within a 30 day time span
stuff like
this
maybe can be narrowed down due to real world events though
I do not really know but eh one day I will go back and look to see how they did that
but today is not that day
looking at the beginning might actually be easier though

anyway that is timeline longpost I hope this is not crusty old information or anything

[Aeon]

the question has haunted me this whole time and i have made insubstantial progress in the time since its asking thank you for your scientific progress my friend

Nov 29, 2021 11:40:58 GMT spongelevator said:

I forgot where but I believe ZUN also stated that touhou takes place in current day, meaning we can assume pretty strongly that PoFV takes place around 2005 or so
if it turns out he didn't say this it could be possible that 2hus takes place in 2065 or something because iphones and whatever already exist and fall into gensokyo

pretty sure integer toho runs 1:1 with real so games always take place vaguely around [present time, present day]. there is actual evidence beyond the dates listed on the wiki's timeline but i cant think of too much right now aside from "yukari has a gameboy", "chimata is sad partially because of covid", and "sumireko is a zoomer"

either way go back 120 seasons/years and you reach 1885, which is a very familiar number
the estimated year in which the hakurei barrier was created
I am guessing season 0 is the beginning of gensokyo and not just some arbitrary starting point and the wiki also states that 1885 is an assumption but we know there's at least been 120 years since its creation

it did always strike me as kinda weird that eiki and co. were able to confidently say that it only happened every sixty years when it could have only happened once or twice before in gensokyo. maybe it also supposedly did before the formation of the barrier or maybe they just mathed it out and know when it's supposed to happen

past that though, you can kinda only tell that things take place in chronological order and maybe be able to narrow down the seasons by the quarter the media takes place in

never even considered that the games could be lying about what order they are in. some things 100% come before others like eosd and pcb but you could probably reorder a bit of 8-14 and it would still make sense

it's all pretty vague
it goes from near-precise dates to general dates to months to literally just the quarter
you are literally able to tell when ZUN released an artbook because all the dates on the timeline around those years are precise

i was wondering why they started to drop off in precision, just kinda assumed whoever was writing them in stopped doing so


incredible information we are one step closer to understanding exactly when akyuu is going to die (soon) and what Real Life one to one day it will be as well as many other things. will be looking out for time-related data in all upcoming eastern project endeavors

[spongelevator]

ok I didn't actually play UM to see that so now I can be reassured that game boys and tablets aren't falling into gensokyo in 2065 thank god
there's some date discrepancy between real world and BAiJR but the stuff I've seen is by no more than a year so I can now say with confidence
"close enough"

the flowers thing is known as "The Sixty Year Cycle Great Barrier Incident" in BAiJR so I think it probably began occurring when the barrier was created but I don't think it was stated clearly at any point
also yeah as you said it can only have happened a maximum of two times (season X and season 60) if we assume season X is the creation of the barrier and that this only happens when the barrier is up
so I have no idea if they just saw it happen twice and the third time they thought "okay this probably just happens every 60 years then" or what

when it comes to 8-14 I am sorry to say but that's like
the prime time to ensure everything happened in order
like 7.5 was released after 8 but ZUN said in its omake something like "despite the release dates the games occur in numbered order"
and in 9 you can see characters from 8 know each other already
and 10-13 is the whole moriya shrine conspiracy
10 is when moriya arrives, 11 is when kanakp gives okuu yatagarasu powers, 12 happens as a result of the underground chaos (I think) and byak specifically chose to put her shrine over miko's uhh
mausolem
mouse lum
grave
her grave to monitor her
I heard once that 14 had something to do with 13 in a very very indirect and insignificant way but I forgot
anyway remember to leave your donations with lady suwako and all will be fine












akyuu aint goin' down without a FIGHT

[Aeon]

i'd guess the barrier has a general technology gap of like 15-20 years, maybe less if you are smart guy rinnosuke poking around everywhere. it'll probably get faster though since more things are being made to replace stuff quickly. not sure how it looks for non-tech, though. probably harder for things like books to go out of use.

first post back and im immediately embarassing myself, you are entirely right. i was thinkin about the big 14.5-16.5 bit and forgot the moriya shrine conspiracy
i had assumed numbered order was correct but did not know zun ever specifically said it

fastest way akyuu gets out of this is. well. trying what the other guy did. and no way, right?
maybe we get a touhou 19.1: end the hieda bloodline

[spongelevator]

touhou's gonna end with a run n' gun akyuu shoot 'em up just like god (okina at this rate) intended
beat the game once and you unlock rocket launcher that shoots 8 rockets

soon youkai only have to wait three weeks to get the newest iphone when apple creates ios 20.22 which bricks all phones made before next year

I gotta catch up on me colas honest
now with the power of friendship^tm and teamwork^tm we have solved the mystery of time
whoever knew that throwing a knife in stopped time would instantly obliterate the opponent?

yeah 14.5-16.5 I do not actually know much about because I want a floor
though heck and oki showed up soon after game releases and saved the timeline because now we can know they happened uhhhhh



treash typed aaaand post

[spongelevator]

it's summer
time for this shit again


for almost two years we have been stuck on how the timeline was able to narrow down articles by month (well more like "on two occasions within the past two years" I suppose)
and today I remembered this so I spent literally twenty minutes looking at the timeline again and "figured it out" to put it nicely
hell it took longer to write this post explaining it than it took to find it

en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Gensokyo_Timeline
this link
immediately explains it
yes that's right it was there the entire time
says "we determined these dates assuming the youkai calendar matches up with the japanese lunisolar calendar, here's the month names, here's the articles, oh yeah also not enough information to confirm lol"
I believe this was actually our first conversation here back when I was a scrub who had not knowledge of anything past the identity of wriggle nightbug
and I've probably scrolled past it 5-10 times before saying "where does this even show up" and only now when I focused on it did I see

en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Curiosities_of_Lotus_Asia/Chapter_24
this pepsi article is cited for the existence of the youkai lunisolar calendar
literally only youkai mountain uses this calendar anymore (annoying!) and it's said to be much easier for youkai to use due to their connection to the moon 
apparently they have no concept of days which is why there are few exact dates on here (some appear to be exact but when clicking on the article it's revealed to actually be an estimate)
for some reason bougetsushou has a lot of exact dates on both wikis (they aren't just incorrectly entered like the articles on the english wiki) but I do vaguely recall SSiB mentioning the passing of days as the rocket was built or something so that might be how
chapter 1 of CiLR takes place on "the day of the monthly lunar festival" so probably it starts there but I can't be assed to figure that whole thing out so I'll just assume it's true

every three years the youkai calendar just extends a month to account for the inaccuracy of the system
thwiki.info/?cmd=read&page=%B8%B8%C1%DB%B6%BF%C7%AF%C9%BD#l17f2456
and according to the japanese wiki they have absolutely no clue how to calculate this because it was never stated
so they just converted from lunar to solar (gregorian) which means these dates are potentially all wrong which is why it's stated to be speculative

en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Symposium_of_Post-mysticism/Bunbunmaru_Newspaper_2
take a look at this article for example (season 124 is four years after 2005)
saw the kanji for moon/month and saw the lack of a mention of a month in english
and it turns out this is august in the lunar calendar
luckily china uses the lunar calendar so after trying about five converters that literally did not work I came across this one which does work
www.asia-home.com/china/lunarsol.php?lang=en
toss in the lunar 1 august 2009 and it spits out the gregorian 19 september 2009
toss in 31 august 2009 (actually for some reason the website doesn't work with 30/31 so put it 29 and add two days) and it spits out 19 october 2009
this is one day from the estimate on the article

one more
en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Bohemian_Archive_in_Japanese_Red/Eirin
season 119 december which would put this in 2004
1 december 2004 lunar is 10 january 2005 gregorian and 31 december 2004 is 9 february 2005 which matches up exactly

this and the information in the previous posts here appears to be pretty much everything used to create the timeline excluding stuff like mythology/real life and apparently mentions within the games (I heard kasen said in ULiL that the barrier was 130 years old but I couldn't find where)
so as you can see this timeline is built on pretty shaky foundations
I got my information on the stuff from earlier basically by sheer coincidence (looked at ZUN illustrations and saw something relevant) but this one is just plainly explained and all I had to do was read it and then test it out and confirm it's how they did this

anyway I guess the mystery has been solved and now we can spend 99999 years creating the timeline from the ground up, starting with the big bang and also not forgetting to read 5000 books on japanese mythology to see when the guy did the thing that made the stuff happen






btw barkleypost and hearnpost never I quit

[Aeon]

HAPPY LUANTIC RED ANNIVERSARY
I WOULD NOT MISS THE POST FOR THE WORLD
NOT EVEN FOR THE JAM
NOT EVEN FOR THE GRIND

spongelevator
you are JOKING
am i such a fool? has it always been speculation? am i being gaslit?
the history doesn't seem to show it was introduced recently, so damn. i guess i was just a chump
there is no deeper meaning, only the guesses of users like us. probably makes the most sense but a shame the secret touhou exact dates source is not real

localized timezones! cant even get away from em in a single valley in japan, huh
if i remember correctly ssib also has to pay attention to the phase of the moon to know when to blast into space

that is a good spot on the ancient month from that article there. i see moon so much i would probably have not noticed but my mans seein the stuff from the old calendar. no idea why they stopped using the names, hazuki or kisaraki are way cooler than "month eight" or "month two"

BANGER JOB sorry i did not help lmao i have been too busy butchering touhou rules left and right in my own stuff here

posts get long man i feel ya...........
i get slightly scared when spongelevator says i quit and goes offline for like three days (world record) but its FAIR you have been goin at it and im (almost done) slackin

WE STILL DONT HAVE MANY USERS
HAPPY LUANTIC RED ANNIVERSARY
IM ALMOST DONE WITH MY COOL SHIT I SAID I WOULD HAVE A YEAR AGO

[spongelevator]

yeah turns out the timeline is more like a time
uhhh
time
time
clock
uhhhhhh
an educated guess
honestly the best part of researching something mysterious is finding out it's a load of shit 
like when you find out the mythical no-waste ghost is actually just a middle aged mom saying to drink the damn milk after you finish your cereal (and she is right you know)

now we will need a new thing that we do not know how the thing works or have all the information on the thing type thing
I can't think of one

ok anway no I mean I quit hearnpost and barkleypost I aint about to pick up on my year old save (somehow this is the only game I have given up on in like six years even though it's actually good) or spend five hours reading insect literature (lafcadio hearn) to talk about how butterfly means pretty
I did not go online for three days because this chromebook is absolutely abysmal for having more than three tabs open (it is from 2012) and so I have instead watched 70 episodes of japanese anime!s in six days

it's the same crustbook from lunatic red 2020 summer it would be nostalgic if it were not for how comically underpowered it is against 2022 google chrome tabs
by the way rabid trash man does not appear to have been adapted yet I waited to watch part 6 because I thought they said they would finish it at the beginning of 2022 and they did not :(

ok to give an idea of how ass this thing is I almost lost this reply because the page froze for 90 seconds so I will continue to be a dried up sponge for a little while

[lazulum]

Likewise, mate.
Always glad and relieved to see you guys are still around despite my infrequent visits.

I look forward to sticking around, and hopefully making more posts before long. Haven't been doing much to keep activity going for a good few months now. Always a pleasure chatting, and I will look forward to the next game session.

Wow, since 2020 I have been back here? My sense of time is greatly distorted these days haha
If you decide on a tournament, I will be happy to do my best to participate. Going to be in Europe for a month though, will need to refigure time zones if it is soon.

[spongelevator]

sowwy :)))))) anniversary
timeline is already done but what if I told you time is a flat circle as is the earth and as are the devices everyone reads these on too
the timeline never started and it will never end

hi lazulum