Favorite Themes (Read 1,551 times)

[rys]

Mystic Square's theme is a pretty good theme from PC-98, even if it's not a very title theme-esque track.

and 4 starts takin it in a different direction than zun did entirely

I've thought bpohc is a bit like 7.5, where it's not really a big plot and mostly set up for everyone to fight each other, following rmi which was basically pcb.
Also, Burst Overflow is burned in my memory after Prime Minister in Black.

[spongelevator]

barges into favorite themes thread
quotes entire 17 paragraph post
refuses to elaborate
last online: nov 25, 2021

ok I am not good at explaining but I have quite some to say on this uuh
music-related matter
but I also shan't create a new thread for the topic in proper "to any users that come here i guess" etiquette
pray forgive the inconvenience of 10 paragraphs filled with grammarless, choppy masses of poorly formatted english

yeah both the stories and gensokyo's geography are far less abstract these days
there are still a few minor locations we don't know much about but then again it's not exactly easy to make a minor location relevant 
and ZUN saying he prefers to write about modern events now means unless terry crews explodes the moon we likely won't be seeing any wacky wonders anymore
also okki becoming new yukarin




there is makai and the moon and dream world and hell along with the current and hifuuaged outside world but I feel those almost have the opposite issue which is the fact that they aren't gensokyo
since raymoo is the protagonist 95% of the time ZUN is gonna have to make her go there instead of having a game from the point of view of someone in the location
so most non-gensokyo locations show up like two times
we know hell is basically chaos's "might makes right" and there's a whole political turmoil thing going on down there currently which is attempting to give it structure (also hell debt lol) and the lunar capital is basically gensokyo's rival and filled with purity
or how current day outside world is well
current day outside world
and how hifuu outside world is filled with artificial experiences to the point where there are no longer bamboo shoots and such
but since there are so many of those locations and none of them are gensokyo we kinda just have to hope they show up again eventually
even hifuu which is one of few exceptions to "raymoo is the protagonist" and had a good amount of worldbuilding without being too much seems to have been half replaced by sumireko even though the current day outside world doesn't seem like it's of particular interest to us current-day outside worlders

speaking of sumireko 
I actually do not know a whole lot about her so if I am wrong about this please say
but based on her descriptions and the dialogue I've seen of her she is basically merry except ESP with the last name of renko and the "genius" of yumemi along with the concept of the secret sealing club and then ZUN just kinda
plopped her 100-150 years before hifuu
I know she's got a doppelganger (I don't remember MY usami being that stretchy!) and she goes to gensokyo through her dreams often (also the dream world in VD) but I don't know how ZUN explains her existing without renko ever mentioning her despite sumireko going to gensokyo and also renko's significant interest in gensokyo
and also what's with her psychic powers (renko is 100% normal and never mentioned to have a supernatural family history by herself or anyone else)
you would expect that if renko had a genius ancestor with supernatural powers and frequent travel to gensokyo that she'd know and talk about her
even the explanation "there was like 150 years between them so they might be too far apart" doesn't sound completely plausible considering how noteworthy her existence would be to a normal person ("what??? my family member can teleport, float, and travel to locations outside of this world??? I'm gonna tell MY kids about this!")
and why is the origin of the secret sealing club suddenly sumireko in a tokyo high school as opposed to a kyoto university over a hundred years later/ how did the club get created in a kyoto university without any mention of sumireko being its founder 
now that I think of it if sumireko wasn't related to renko at all or the time gap is even larger it would probably make more sense but I don't know enough to say that with anything more than 25% confidence considering all of this is just what I could tell from what I've seen and heard
and there's also the possibility that this all has a simple explanation I somehow missed or a conclusion I never reached (every discussion I see of sumireko is "I hate violet detector" so I have no idea if people find these things strange or if it's only me)
it's also not contradictory or anything but it does make her feel out of place like a new character shoehorned into an ATLUS rerelease (looking at you p3p, p4g, p5r, sjr, and catherine full body)
I am tired of hearing sumireko is renko's ancestor merry is yukarin and absolutely nothing else about hifuu we musn't let this continue
now we must say sumireko and renko are unrelated and sumireko is also yukarin
kill two stones with one stone and the bird has no relation to this tragedy

also back to hell there's supposed to be like
different hells for different locations and also current and former hell (along with a bunch of locations in the afterlife in general) right
honestly all the hells is pretty weird it kinda just seems like if it aint on the earth or the moon it's gonna be hell both due to lack of other settings and its expansiveness
though the only media that actually fully focuses on hell is like
atari breakout and 17+.5 
unlike gensokyo I could actually see hell being focused on for like 25 years and still have lots of potential and mystery because you can just say "oh yeah that last game focuses on 1/∞ of hell meaning you quite literally know zero"
but for now it's just heck and eiki shiki yo mama (everyone in hell is cool!)


and when speaking of the lunar capital that's kinda like
a small setting with a lot of unknowns because it's existed for quite a while and you also have gods (gods?) there that are millions of years old
and the only way to find out about those gods are to read up on real world mythology which doesn't necessarily match up with 2hus at all
and there was the whole yukarin invasion she became infamous for and the "lunar wars" which may or may not be a gargantuan overreaction to a flag being put on the moon (possibly on the other hand the current day outside world is aware of the existence of the lunar capital and/or actually did something but since toyohime can make turn the moon into the scientific version I do not know how it went down in toho)
there also seems to be a lot of people who hate the entire lunar capital and everyone in it because of the whole purity superiority thing but then again they are straight up weak to life so I'd think the mindset was intentionally spread so they don't bring fairies to the moon and everyone dies
lunar capital does not show up enough for me or anyone else to know for sure though so for now it'll sadly remain "dictator moon" and there will never be able to be discussions about the moon without someone talkin about h1tl0r
there's basically just like one and a half manga/books because CiLR is just SSiB+ and also lolk ZUN more moonies pls

at the first of two ends to this post I shall say gensokyo being the main setting kinda makes it so the other places can never be expanded to the extent of gensokyo without completely ignoring gensokyo or straight up changing the main setting/main characters
I would say that's a good thing because it would ensure we don't know every square inch and resident of the moon or every crust vegetable of hifuutimes but it also ends up being "you will never find out about more than 1/1000th of hell" and "who's shinki?"

ok I forgot but there are actually two ways for those to be talked about without having to "leave gensokyo"
the first being akyuu's stuff (but we haven't gotten one in 9 years and usually responses to akyuu writings are plagued with "akyuu is unreliable") or the artbooks in general
and the second being ZUN himself in interviews and other miscellaneous things (omake, SCoOW even though that one isn't written by ZUN) that happen outside of the series
a decent amount of that hell stuff I'm pretty sure I read about in a ZUN interview
we haven't gotten too many artbooks in recent years though and ZUN interviews are far more likely to be about development but I shall mention those because I always liked those the most


I think toutetsu just wanted to be the fat cat of the animal realm
by absorbing the blood she would gain a lot of power and all the desire and malice in the blood
and I think it was supposed to be that she slipped into the lake of blood during the wbawc incident so nobody would notice but okki did and now it's an incident

multi game plot from 10-13 was cool but I have no idea how it works after that
was there like
connections between the spinoffs and main games like 14.5-lolk instead of them being separate and 17-17.5
or is there more than that
I remember characters from new games would show up in the manga suddenly (and the other way around in a few cases) but I only remember events from the manga influencing games with fairies causing fairy wars so I do not really know


ok now in proper "favorite themes" etiquette
IN has one of the best soundtracks I'd say
it fits the atmosphere of the game along with the nice ass nighttime danmaku and eientei
though I always get stage 1+boss+2+boss confused because for some reason if I hear one I think it's all four and have to check what I'm even hearing to identify it
IN has voyage as well so that's one free point added to the score

also soku has some of the best stuff but it's kinda weird
because when saying soku is it just soku's ost or is it all the songs in the game "Touhou (Hisoutensoku) Unperceiving of Natural Law ~ Chase the Enigma of the Gargantuan Guignoland" and therefore swr+soku
honestly I don't know but if I did know I would have said both TD and soku(swr+soku)

with TD though everything is very good AND there's spirit world versions which are just as good yet frequently are different enough to alter the feeling of the song
so you get like 1.5-2 particulary good OSTs in one
it may not have voyage stage 6 but instead it has miko disco which I will gladly take
in fact TD is the only game I remember particularly liking every stage theme in
I think stage 1 boss is the only theme I don't particularly care for but it aint even bad

[0of64]

Man, do I have favorite themes lemme tell you

First up Diao ye Zong (Chen's Theme) - Of course this is very baised of me bc I love Chen so much and I've said this before but I just find something cozy about her theme... for some reason.

A Dream more Scarlet than Red - The title theme of EoSD just OOZES of this feeling like you stepping into the doorways of Gensokyo itself. It feels me of this sense of nostalgia since EoSD was my first game. No other title themes I like more than this one Except for Theme of Eastern Story


Gensokyo Millennium ~ History of The Moon (Eirin's theme) - This is one of my FAVORITE final boss themes (better than Kaguya's). This one just sound so magestic yet so powerful at the same time. This one being my all time favorite remix of the theme. 

Pure Furies ~ Wearbouts of The Heart (Junko's theme) - even tho I've heard many stories about Junko's fight, I really REALLY love her theme. It just SCREAMS of Final Boss like the fate of the world is in this one fight.

Greenwich in The Sky - This theme's funky and weird... and I LOVE IT. It feels like some wicked fight is going on and prolly fits in a game like Earthbound probably. This song makes this theme 10x better it's very catchy.

Lunar Clock ~ Luna Dial (Sakuya's theme) - In the words of ZUN, "You can't have a maid without hard rock" I like this theme over Flowering Knights bc I like how hardcore it makes Sakuya. I like to think Sakuya's just plain badass which is prolly why she's my favorite maid to ever maid.

A Maiden's Illusionary Funeral ~ Necro Fantasy (Ran's theme) - This theme just kicks ass. That's it. Why does Necrofantasia feel like a downgrade to this one...


Here are just some of my other favorites but I don't really have an opinion on I just really like them:
Deaf to All but The Song (Flower Mix) (Mystia's theme PoFV)
Adventures of a Lovestruck Tomboy (Cirno's theme PoFV)
Mist Lake (DDC 1st stage theme)
The Gensokyo the God's Loved (MoF 3rd stage theme)
Candid Friend (Nitori's theme)
Wind God Girl (Aya's theme)
Fortunate Kitty (Mike's theme)
TH18's 2nd and 3rd stage theme
Kobito of The Shining Needle ~ Little Princess (Shinmyoumaru's theme)
Love Colored Master Spark (Marisa's theme)
Hartmann's Youkai Girl (Koishi's theme)
Solar Sect of Mystic Wisdom ~ Nuclear Fusion (Okuu's theme)
Interdimensional Voyage of a Ghostly Passenger Ship (UFO 4th stage theme)
Septette for the Dead Princess (Remilia's theme)

[spongelevator]

EoSD best title theme
there are other great ones but I aint ever gonna forget it

and pure furies best final boss theme
it's got some competition but hey junky so is good
also the stage version is also up there

greenwich has some wacky arranges out there
never gets old
if you didn't see it already there's a version of this thread that exists for arranges where probably like half of the videos we linked are now removed because utube

luna dial is best sakuya
if you're gonna make a maid make sure they can do sick flips or kill people and all that
after eosd when sakuya got flowering night'd and uncool'd though
I had to prefer yumeko with her swords and theme
also ZUN will never put her in a game again so she can't get uncool'd
tis my spicy opinion of the post

necro fantasy vs necrofantasia was another weird thing
almost everyone prefers necrofantasia but it almost seems like ZUN regretted making it yukarin!'s theme
because he proceeded to make evening star and suddenly that's her theme except not always
ran was never playable so I don't know if she would have gotten necro fantasy as her main theme and yukarin! would get evening star or what
also there's necro fantasy being in english and having "a maiden's illusionary funeral"/少女幻葬 before it compared to necrofantasia being in katakana (ネクロファンタジア) but that does not matter at all it just looks weird
honestly I don't care which one I hear anymore but music cd versions>>>>>pcb or anything else
necro fantasy in ghostly field club is very good to fit the night setting
and necrofantasia in magical astronomy goes well with the limitless feeling of space
so I can say at the end of this actually relevant to the thread post
pretty good

[TSUN]

yeah both the stories and gensokyo's geography are far less abstract these days

...Yeah. As someone who started from the beginning and has experienced everything mostly in chronological order, it feels really weird to go from nonsensical plots like "hey go beat up some lady in a mansion" and "oh hey theres some random sciencey human from an unspecified other dimension" and plot twists like "reimu's yin yang orb can turn into a cat somehow" to... lore, I guess. I've wanted to keep up on the epic worldbuilding of Gensokyo, but now that I'm at Mountain of Faith, that's gotten a little intimidating.

Hello 0of64, nice to meet you and oh my gosh i agree with everything in your post

So far, PCB is my favorite game specifically because of how "cozy" the atmosphere is. It starts so serene and keeps building itself up, getting more and more intense and epic, but always keeps a sense of mystique.

Yeah, Luna Dial is so different from pretty much all other 2hu music I've heard, and that makes it so awesome. I dunno what changed, but Sakuya really does seem less cool/interesting after EoSD. Maybe it's the theme change, maybe it's the art change (EoSD art is beautiful and you can never tell me otherwise), maybe it's the fact she's not a "villain" afterwards.

"Necro-Fantasy > Necrofantasia" has been my opinion ever since I first heard each song. In the context of the bossfight itself, Necrofantasia is probably better? But as a song and experience, Necro-fantasy wins out by a landslide. The ZUNpets are too good! While I like Necrofantasia's bridge section with the piano and drums, the epic amazing awesome chorus is honestly my least favorite part; it just feels loud for the sake out loud. If we include the CD versions, then Necro-Fantasy is in my top 5 favorite 2hu songs ever. Magical Astronomy's Necrofantasia is just "cool, I guess." After the new intro played, I was kinda disappointed that it just went into normal Necrofantasia.

A good way to sum the two up is "Necro-Fantasy is like being swept away by a million waves, and Necrofantasia is like getting hit by a train."

Oh, and if I can say another hot take:
Bad Apple is upper-mid tier in its game of origin, let alone PC98, let alone all of Touhou. It's catchy, but that's about all it's got going for it.

[spongelevator]

horry sheet tsun post

my apologies for this but a post containing many words incoming (this post is apparently about 1200 words, almost the same length as the second essay I wrote this semester, pls forgive):
ok I have nothing better to do but I realize these are all pretty absurdly long posts so I will rewrite my two posts in here into like
non-treash readable humanspeak type english
that could possibly raise the word count significantly so forgive me lord for what I'm about to do

you're basically in the middle of the "big lore" of the series
almost all of the artbooks and the first line of fighting games were released around MoF/2007
a good amount of the touhou stuff released after 2012 doesn't need to be thoroughly read/analyzed because it's mostly games or slice of life manga
out of the post-2012 manga, I'd argue only FS is of much relevance outside of "general happenings in gensokyo" 
WaHH has a little bit of important stuff but you can pretty much just sit down and read it all at once and you'll know more than enough about it
for the games, only ULiL->LoLK and WBaWC->17.5 are of note because there aren't artbooks or significant manga appearances that rely on game knowledge anymore
I went through all the manga before with surface-level knowledge of DDC-WBaWC and their casts (excluding LoLK which I found interesting) and easily understood all the events (most of which didn't appear of importance anyway)

a few games don't seem to be very easy to understand
like 17.5 or WBaWC, which many people seem not to get until reading a summary of the plot 
there's also characters like okina which are confusing in both origins and intentions
she's a "secret god" usually said to be "based on matarajin" but she also loudly announces her presence and says she wants to "make herself known" by causing probably at least four or five incidents by now (many of which are annoyingly unclear in intentions) and real-life mythology decides that she is actually based on 12345432199999 gods and apparently has some relation to tengu
this isn't SUPER common but it'll happen enough to be noteworthy
and I've seen enough "why did (2hu) do (thing)" and "what did (2hu) want" to know it aint how it used to be

past 2012, there's honestly not a ton of "lore" left 
ZUN doesn't really make artbooks anymore and those were the main source of information that probably led to early windows touhou's lasting popularity and fanbase, not to mention
well
depth and content
only ZUN artbook past 2012 that matters is AFiEU (grimoire of usami is just grimoire of marisa 2)
and it's a pretty clear parody of modern politics and society including but not limited to boundary conspiracies, the miko trump speech, deceitful advertisements, and anti-kakashi newspaper commentary
ZUN straight up says he went around reading tabloids and watching crusty skewed news to be able to write it properly
and the humor in the book is damn good 
it's not great for actual information though as most of the artbook is highly and purposely biased (this artbook is actually what people like to say PMiSS is like)
but I suppose it works as a slice of lifey thing 
the japes alone redeem this one for me but we haven't had a proper encyclopedia-type in 9 years (I'm afraid it's been... nine years. or, alternatively: (9))

manga is the new artbook, as ZUN's finished three and started up two since 2012
definitely doesn't achieve as much as the artbooks did though
it shows the characters in a far more natural setting than interviews or literal encyclopedia entries but if a character's not
a. a fairy or fairy-like youkai
b. stage 4 or higher boss
or c. relevant to a group including a stage 4 or higher boss
they probably won't show up for more than like one chapter (or one panel)
I guess that's to be expected but eh it's not satisfying either
the manga mainly focuses on marisa/raymoo (sometimes) and kasen/fairies/suzers/aya/mamizou depending on which manga you're reading
aya/mamizou also show up again in lotus eaters so you better REALLY like them or there is no escape (I don't much enjoy them anymore)
the manga tends to be slice of life with almost nothing of real relevance happening which gets really repetitive to read 150 chapters in unless you're a person like me who watches endless eight and then, next haruhi rewatch, watches endless eight again
I found solace in seeing one panel of my favorite characters during the party scenes (not even a jape)

the "true" replacement for artbooks is strange creators of outer world I think
I vaguely recall ZUN saying something along the lines of "I think it's better to release a magazine than to write long books" though I have no source for this and no will to confirm it
so if this statement doesn't ring a bell ignore it
strange creators of outer world has some stuff about gensokyo's layout and interviews (the interviews are actually good) along with character profiles, which ZUN doesn't actually write and only approves
if you read through the bios you'll see they're pretty much all old information, just compiled from older touhou works and ZUN's txts
this includes the akyuu books which are said to be unreliable, which causes a problem
the profiles in SCoOW are written from an objective point of view (not akyuu's or anyone else in-universe) but they contain information considered dubious by fans
I believe the yukarin profile in PMiSS is one of the main reasons the work is considered unreliable (based on the short ZUN doujin with akyuu and yukarin) but the SCoOW profile takes that information at face value (and it was approved by ZUN)
so what now? strange creators of outer world is supposed to be canon and accurate, being approved by ZUN, but it contains information fans consider faulty
what I'm trying to say here is that SCoOW doesn't bring anything new to the table while also causing a few issues like this one, so it's pretty ehhhhhhhhh
I'd just stick with the interviews, myself

basically, don't feel intimidated with the newer stuff
there really isn't a whole lot of important material left
I went through all of the manga that ended past 2012 and the two artbooks in three days because it's all pretty light and there's not a lot that needs to be remembered
I do not mean to say modern 2hus isn't worth going through or it's major ass or anything
but I'm guessing the lack of material to go on for a lot of characters is why the games past TD have like five fanworks total and anyone who isn't stage 5 or 6 is 80th in the popularity poll
I liked it well enough but I probably wouldn't want to go through much of it again (other than AFiEU and fairies)
come join me in having read everything (other than cola because I forgot about cola) and gaining very little from this feat
I feel I've already written at least three other posts that are the same damn thing as this but eh the words are on the page so there's no going back

I quite liked how early windows had a pretty good consistent theme to it
EoSD felt very eastern "western" and PCB felt wintery but calm and IN was a very "middle of the night" type game
not good at describing it but each game had a strong environment to it that I could choose when I was feeling that sort of game which is cool

eosd sakuya

eosd sakuya
perhaps she is uninteresting now because she went from "rock maid" to "elegant maid", the change of both theme (music) and theme (character) as you said
I don't find flowering night interesting or even particularly pleasant 
so it replacing luna dial honestly sucks
the "elegant and highly capable" trope also gets dull fast and I've seen it enough times to only fondly remember one parody (sakuya is mostly played straight so there's not much humor there either)
in EoSD when sakuya felt like a straight up dio joke I enjoyed her quite a bit
but after that she just feels like sakuya
it's a dumb thing for me to care about but that's a pretty big loss and just another reason for me to not really care for her


I listened to all four necro whatevers again to ensure my opinion
but I didn't find myself caring for any of them
CD>game but only because the game versions were actually pretty unpleasant
earlier I said I enjoyed both songs equally and believed the CD versions fixed most of the issues of the game versions but I hadn't listened to them in a while
this time I just didn't care 

basically just stared at the screen, eyes glazed over, waiting for the inevitable fall of man, triumph of demons, and eventual heat death of the universe to free me from my mortal flesh cage chaining me down to the ground on which I sat experiencing the buzzing of an old tune in my ear (more heat later keep reading)
I don't know what was with this reaction but that's my current opinion on the songs now
two years ago magical astronomy necrofantasia was like crack and I could almost feel the wonders of borders and exploration of the unknown
and silly ol spongebob was thinking early windows was "eh pretty good I guess"
perhaps annoyed at the prevalence of the settings and characters in fanon and not realizing that canon, at least, was redeemable 
now in year 2019+2 early windows is heroin and necro whatevers are the same as radio static or tetris A
guess I'll go back to my dolls in pseudo paradise again
also hifuus can't forget hifuus


burning hot oil spilled on my entire body (I am a lotus root) take:
yes that's right, it's the heat you've been waiting for:
original bad apple is pretty good (mildly noteworthy 7.5 or 8/10) but alstroemeria's version is easily the worst song in any of their albums it's showed up in
not justin beaver baby tier bad (if I want baby I listen to mass destruction) but compared to everything else it's pathetic
every time I listened to an alstroemerica album and bad apple played I thought "well what am I supposed to do with this???"
it's a straight downgrade but they put it in like 10 damn albums due to its success so you can't escape it
only the animation and its parodies are good (though I suppose the parodies are enough to make up for how "eh" the song is)
doesn't matter that bad apple! is "the touhou song" that blew up in popularity and introduced so many people to the series
DONARUDO and chillno's math class (doesn't sound good but funey so it's up there) are better 1v2 me (it is unbalanced because I listed two songs and bad apple! is only one)

ok hope you enjoyed my blogpost that was 1866 words up there (found the solution to updating word count: just ignore the word count below a certain point so you don't have to fix it anymore)
it's now the length of the longest essay I wrote in the class (and also ever) which was 500 words over the minimum

[rys]

Would you like a Pulitzer to go with your novel?

Things'll change; sa was already a decade old when detective Satori started getting published, so I'm sure works will slowly catch up with the games; Okina keeps popping up, right?

as for bad apple alice maestra blocks your path

[spongelevator]

what is a pulitzer
can I eat it
thanks for the meal

ok after numerous edits uhh
I did it again
this one'll be 873 words
truly sorry so very sorry take this non-existent coupon image for your troubles (I could not find it)
this one's gonna get a new super maniax chronicles golden FES royal U update too hold my beer

satorimanga's happening right now but man
SA's one of the least relevant early windows games so it's fortunate that ZUN chose it for a manga
but he also gives far more significance to the characters in each setting visited by the "vengeful spirit" than the SA cast
so instead of getting to see the (more relevant part of) SA cast you end up seeing the SDM and its residents then PCB and its two residents plus yukarin and ran and chen then eientei and its residents
in other words it's just the same thing as what ZUN did before, early windows emphasis with even more emphasis on the characters that are relevant to the main plot of those games and nobody else
there's that theory that the manga is gonna end at SA because it's satori's home turf but I hope that stays a theory so we actually get to see something good happen
I don't think satori's even shown up in the story ever since the new illustrator picked the manga up
honestly no clue what ZUN's doing 
the manga also is really damn slow in its progression
seriously, in the amount of time it's taken satorimanga to explain why we should care about the "vengeful spirit" (12 chapters but I'll say ehhh 10? because the chapters started getting very slim before postponement), the SSiB cast would have been one chapter away from flying to the moon in chapter 11
that's like 2/3 of SSiB's story because the second half showed simultaneous events and a long battle scene
and in that time satorimanga's basically just done the same thing however many times and then said "oh yeah b t dubs the vengeful spirit can, like, use a character's powers and stuff so make sure you watch for that"
I'm hoping this slowness results in ZUN making something interesting happen, perhaps including the cast of PoFV instead of not doing that
honestly not sure what to expect from satorimanga, just hoping it breaks the early windows cycle and stops becoming the "only worth it if mima" manga (thanks mimers)
come on down to satorimanga thread we've got funny images and a not thrilled sponge analysis of ZUN's double cliffhanger (first wasn't cliffhanger worthy and the second appears to literally be mokou and marisa who we saw like two pages ago which isn't even fair)

okki is a pretty weird case
powerful god, sage, AND new yukari all in one (or in other words yukari again except guaranteed powerful this time)
ZUN seems to like using her a lot, considering the amount of times she's showed up (he even used her for remote work zashiki warashi sweatshop social commentary non-cliffhanger thing in lotus eaters) which makes me think his choices are just about how easily he finds using the character to be
he probably aint gonna know how to use whoever the hell tsukumo sisters waggy saggy banki kagerou wait they're all DDC
all of the who?-hus pretty much
he enjoys putting okina into literally everything so probably it's more a matter of him not knowing how to use whatever seiran ringo sagume aunn narumi urumi eika than him not wanting to use whatever letty aki sisters lily white satono mai other mai wriggle yoshika pc-98 unnamed red pixel to the left

you are correct though I should try using this "wait and see" tactic here
usually I only use that for school assignments prone to being cancelled or things I do not want to deal with such as touhou road runners 3 releasing on the nintendo wii hyper and the xbox 720 in year 2018
I've not been possessed by carpet I swear


alice maesetra>bad apple in both normal and alstroemeria forms
+1 to the stage number and +1 to the score
and to make sure this is more relevant to favorite themes thread uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
remember luna dial
now it's all about luna rainbow 
203rd in the poll but 11-200th (do not know where) in mah hart

and in a magma-axis-one-more-theme-rejected type opinion:
I honestly don't get what people see in the final boss themes from 16-18 (including spinoff)
people would say okki theme is "a culmination of the best parts of final boss themes"
and the art class lady is supposed to have a really great theme
goat spork toutetsu's theme is "amazingly deep and special"
and chima's theme is "beautiful and great"

I listen to them, and all four sound like the same thing
and none of them are noteworthy in any way
like not at all

strangely enough I think 16-18 have godly stage 6 themes but the boss is always "huh?"
all of them are both particularly good stage 6 themes and great toho themes in general
I don't even know what the hell HSiFS's stage 6 theme is and it's damn good, whatever it is
WBaWC has some strange loud electric instrument thing and a piano which make it also of interest and worth many listens
luna rainbow is very pleasant and calm 
sorta reminds me of voyage (I don't like it nearly as much but it's great anyway)

this opinion flips entirely when talking about earlier games
every stage 6 theme from 6-14 excluding fires of hokkai, voyage, and miko disco rave is painfully mediocre at best (I don't know if I still have this opinion but I used to think PCB's stage 6 was possibly the worst touhou song overall)
but every stage 6 boss except for whatever remi pathetique and okuu theme is godly
I think voyage and fires of hokkai are some of the best themes in general and miko disco rave is also up there (not nearly as good as those two but far better than the rest 6-14)
the rest of the stage 6 themes 6-14 though
they feel almost like an afterthought with how they are
either the final boss's theme but worse or just some "hey feel pumped up" unmemorable song
it's LoLK when stage 6 themes start to swap godhood with boss themes (also pure furies is probably best final boss theme with high competition from emotional skyscraper and border of life)
strange but stage themes are always nice so good thing those are only getting better

my word count is now 1106
last time I edited this post 6 hours ago it was 873 words and all of my posts in this thread totaled to 6042 words
it's now probably around 6500-7000 which is a good amount more than I've had to write in all four english essays this semester combined

my apologies for subjecting all of you to these brick walls but I hope the english patch will make it a little less godawful

[Aeon]

i make-a the posts

rys

never thought about it like that, kinda lines up with the massive playable cast. i am partial to present world overhaul but also i am used to the most criminally sheer instruments due to rhythm games so i can very much understand the preference

(while we are talking about it (we are not, it was a long time ago) i will mention empire power ~ eternal force. good one)

@oof64
i did not appreciate luna dial or pocket watch of blood until luna nights but you know they are pretty cool
that is a fantastic greenwich arrange many thanks
my man is that "deaf to all but the song"? no way. i have never heard of that one especially not fifteen thousand times in the past month (i made this part of the post a month ago LOL now its been two months ago)

TSUN
shutcho ass up
(im a month old this comeback is as stale as my favorite touhou song (its necrofantasia (cope)))

"at spongelevator" (spongelevator )

[sumireko and renko]
i always just kinda assumed sumireko's timeline went like:
is bored -> makes occult club -> does a lotta mythology research -> does secret sealing club activities by herself since maribel isn't born yet -> happens upon the occult balls -> can use magic now
one thing that makes it really hard to pin down is the whole "abilities" thing. it's pretty clear that a personal ability is distinct from magic that anyone can use, similar to stand or something, but then there are abilities that anybody can use or emulate with technologies (including general magic as a technology). the easiest-to-notice example of this is marisa, whose ability is "using magic", which is clearly a skill. it is so much a skill instead of an ability that a big part of marisa doing marisa things is studying and making her own magic as a human instead of just wave hands it works like some other dudes can do. an example of an ability that can be replicated would be renko's, the ability to "tell what time it is by the stars and where she is by the moon". especially by renko's time period, that's the kind of stuff machines can do for you. taking into account that stars and the moon are highly magically charged concepts, and i would assume you could set something up to do that with magic as well. and, when an ability can be a learned skill or indistinct from a nonpersonal technologically produced equivalent, does the terminology "ability" necessitate the user to have a supernatural status?
i say no and i say that sumireko's "ability" is acquired instead of natural: unless i am missing something massive.
SO in conclusion sumireko developed esp-like magic similarly to how youkai can just kinda use magic that fits them after they get born. sumireko also is a youkai eventually so i say that checks out
how does renko not know about sumireko? i dont know lol. maybe she was a really bad parent. maybe, the name is a coincidence. same thing with the club. genuinely no idea.
actually maybe she just makes the club again once she goes to college (she moves to kyoto for university (i dont know how she passes high school)). it has been a few years, pretty sure she should have graduated by now.
she also has TWO doppelgangers which leads to a very funny final boss in aocf. they are all crewmates except they all think the others are not

heres an image to break up the text i am a formatting god


[violet detector] is awesome as soon as you get a patch that rebinds one of the abilities from double tap shift to c. deadass i went and 100%d it after getting that. otherwise, can be pretty annoying

[conceptual uncertainty]
alright maybe i was wrong before the thing about hell is that it doesna really matter how much extra terrain is there, right
you could make ten thousand minecraft worlds and say you have soooo much stuff and sooooooo many mysteries in your copy of minecraft: and you would be wrong. having hell be super big leaves a lot of unexplored geometry but doesn't do anything for <i>INTRIGUE</i> my guy you know what i'm sayin
like the depth or further meaning to mystery has got more to do with words that aren't said than terrain that isn't yet walked.
here's a genuine 2022 remaining gensokyo mystery: what the hell is the hakurei shrine god? lotsa questions to ask, but not a lotta ways to guess at conclusions. other example: maribel. we all know something is up with that, but this time we have info to batter our tongues with. easy one is merry = yukary but you can take that to mean so many things. like she go back in time a long ways and slowly become youkai? does yukari eventually die and need a replacement? and wwwwwwhat even is a boundary huh? you can even go more theorizing and say "ok maybe renko = yukari" or sans is maribel or something something chiyuri, i dunno
ya got conceptual uncertainty, ya got uncertainty about the future, and you can't tell who to trust.
LEN'EN TALKING:
mugenri (len'en gensokyo) is huge everybody knows it nobody cares. hell huge? i dunno but apparently they fit multiple cultures and languages in there. but if youre askin ME there's nothing to talk about there
see our main cast isn't even from the place, they just got teleported in. unlike bored joushikousei-san sumireko though, they were doing stuff beforehand. what kinda stuff? who knows?
sometimes they walk up to some kid youkai just chattin it up and they say "yeah i made a nuke once" (elegantly)
you go further and its like two of these dudes could just use magic on plain ol gods green earth so whats up with that huh. lotsa questions. lotsa waiting for the dude to update the latest game
and basically: that is what touhou used to be doing bam bam bam lil jabs that you can only really guess at the amount of truth they have or what they're gonna lead to. now, not as much
there is still this sort of uncertainty, and i really think there is a lot of stuff to me asked and answered but probably what is holding the lads back is the spawn point of the hakurei shrine
right i mention those places far away like hell and makai and whatever not because of the large amount of space but because it is foreign. reimu & co have a comfort zone, and their comfort zone basically covers anywhere you can reasonably reach in six stages if you start at the shrine/forest of magic. nothing is gonna push them to ask questions or to bring up uncertainties since they're too good at their job to need to think about it. reimu was always busted but she did used to take it a bit more seriously. you look at any integer game since like 13 and she is not foolin around. same thing for marisa, i'd say she kinda seemed like she was putting up bravado in the older games, but nowadays its genuine "i will kick your ass no questions asked" confidence because nobody is gonna be the bigger fish, and nobody is gonna put her in a bigger pond. once again, same for the other playables, in the earlier days, it was more frequent that people had their own reasons to be involved with or hand in whatever incident was topical, but now it's "[remilia/yuyuko/kanako/eirin] told me to get involved" because it's essentially just giving them a day off their usual work and a chance to socialize. if they were gonna be serious about it, they would help somehow or go with them (imperishable night)

gensokyo is at peace; a fantastic peace where magicians are free to study, elegant battles are free to be fought, and each person is free to pursue their own ambitions. the downtrodden can revolt, and humans can become strong. i can suppose that such is the peace the spellcard rules were meant to create.
it is as incredible as those living in it choose it to be, and for as long as we follow the lazy shrine maiden of paradise, we will follow her lifestyle.
that is why i now follow tsubakura enraku who makes nukes

FINAL POINT on this bit, final point
this kinda mystery matters tenfold for touhou because of how much fanwork is being made constantly, always shifting with what changes in the games. it would be really, really difficult to make something like concealed the conclusion nowadays because of how much more articulated gensokyo as a place is, but that's just how things change over time. there is still space for big things to change, but it's in different places. after mountain of faith, the way people understood a lot about touhou changed (extrapolation, i was not there to see it)
but i was there to see it happen to undertale. same kinda deal.
undertale? uncertainties up the ass. you can take so many things to go so many ways and still have papyrus' missing asterisk for dessert.
there was three years of that, constant large-scale projects trying to understand every facet of what was missing,
and then deltarune released
i know right im talkin a lot about len'en and undertale stuff but i promise im not just goin off its on topic
so deltarune releases, out of the blue we get one day warning, and absolutely nothing was the same afterwards. a lot of things that nobody ever thought there would be more answers for or things behind had volumes. many things were proven impossible in the same way mountain of faith made ctc impossible, but unlike how recent events in touhou go, even more conceptual doors were opened. does frisk and their soul operate the same way as kris'? is narrator chara true in deltarune as well? why doessssss sans look the same? what issss up with that lab anyway and why isn't it in deltarune? what did jevil see? so many questions that mean nothing to the poor lunatic red forum viewers i am subjecting to undertaletalk. but, they are things that changed the way everybody looked at undertale, and when chapter two released, it was the same thing. there was this comic, paper trail, that tried to continue from chapter one as far as it could possibly go with what chapter one gave them. it finished not even weeks before chapter two and a damn good thing it did because reading it now, it's ridiculously off-measure. it's just like a branch off from another timeline dude, same thing with ctc, same thing.
anyway what was i gonna say about that? i dunno lol NEXT


image number two for your viewing leisure. are you thirsty? take a break. save your game.

[FIGHTING GAMES], bit of a different story there. you get a lot more perspectives, as well as different spawnpoints. ulil still my fave xoxo call me back story-wise since there are allllll kinds of reasons for battling and its not just all about sumireko (i like the parts where it is the most though) and i think if each of the inter games had as much variety in reoccuring cast and as much differing in storyline we would be at a much more <i>enigmatic</i> point right now.

[OKINA], i literally don't even know. she's some dude who is simply hanging out and that's fine by me. some people have said "yukari 2" but she had a whole thing where she was introducing herself fresh start no past no chains while yukari is all about that kind of stuff. she also solves problems on purpose instead of causing them, even giving a job offer to cirno. how much more charitable can you get?

[miscellaneous]
i like your descriptions about early windows themes. that is all. there are a lot of hidden games that have similar kinda vibes, but not a lot of danmakugames like that. vgperson.com/games deep-sea prisoner and miwashiba

about [MUSIC]: i respect all the things you have to say but unfortunately cannot add much to this discussion at the moment. have you heard momoyo's theme? it's weird. are you a weird kinda guy? i like the lisa ost. that's kinda weird but i still do not understand momoyo's theme. the main bit is fairly fat but i alt+f4 if i die on any of the parts that sound like the first section


tl;dr: i am a hopeful apologist

THANKS spongelevator for your posts i took a while to get to them but i made a big essay since you had COOL THINGS to say i'm sorry if i skipped past anything or made the post too much about myself i did read all of your many words they were good
so happy we have (i made) this rule where you are encouraged to bump threads no matter how old they are

Aeon
anyway my favorite theme is prooobably dark pit's theme from kid icarus uprising or maybe the hidden boss motif in deltarune
if i had admin id move this to a new thread LOL but its a response to this post so its about my favorite themes (STORY THEMES see i knew what i was doing it was a double entendre. a word play. a pun.)

[rys]

WBaWC has some strange loud electric instrument thing

pretty sure it's a rhodes piano and it's great, but recreating the sound is hard and recreating synths is even worse.

burst overflow does lose the funny trumpet but I like it as one of the more creative remakes from bpohc.
I remember the first area from luna nights had a good mix of luna dial, but haven't played since the update that added Marisa, should probably finish it sometime, even if I spoiled myself on the extra stage's theme.

as said before I don't think things will turn bad for Touhou, just that maybe the protagonist perspective might be turning a bit dry after 25 years, but 17.5 threw the spotlight around, hopefully there'll be more like that. For Len'en one of the things I find appealing is that it recaptures some of the mystique Touhou has when you're new.

men's hair club was how i even found LISA

on topic plug: pofv's title/the prebattle theme is my favorite take on eastern story even if it's a bit vanilla

[carpet]

TO AEON:

you speak and i listen. i talk now, Since i got here, and it is my thread after all. i know you are smart, but listening to me usually makes you smart, too. so i have to make sure you know you are wrong about everything.

sumireko and friends:
SumiReko (formerly, sumikenko) can't have magic because she can't use it. its okay that you forgot that she is a Wooden Youkai since they don't talk about it much and most of the time i dont talk about it either, but since she's made of wood (and stones) she cant use magic. you said that shes a wood youkai, but you forgot that makes her invincible to magic. when she uses magic, she goes into a sort of trance that makes her able to float like Okina (god the of the disabled). Okina can't reflect SumiReko's magic because it's impossible to reflect. you tried really hard to get the the the sentences to make sense but i think you needed to play touhou a fewwwww more times. Sumireko, Okina, and Renko ALL have similar abilities, but sumireko is the ONLY one who can use magic.

uncertainty?:
you said that for every ten thousand minecraft worlds, one of them would have a mystery. this reminds me of how Charlie would purchase almost ten thousand willy wonka bars before he finds the golden ticket, like finding a mystery in my minecraft world. las vegas. I think you're overthinking the mysteries in this situation, there are lots of mysteries in gensokyo, most of them I've solved but I'm waiting for the right opportunity to tell you. I don't think my computer could handle ten THOUSAND minecaft worlds, let alone one mystery, AND ten thousand fish. 

image i found:


Undertale QnA:
question one: aeon (9:37pm): "does frisk and their soul operate the same way as kris'?"
My answer: no, they don't look the same. in the undertale graphic novels, kris doesn't use soul power like frisk. even in the undertale CDs and extra videos, kris doesn't look like me. frisk can use the soul to heal papyrus. he uses mushrooms to level up, only the green ones, but the red ones are used for life power. i guess everyone knows that, but it just seemed relevant to me. 


Spongelevitor:
I have  missed you. really like your posts, more than aeon's, sorry aeon. spubleotu is very intelligent. its mostly why i picked him to work on TRR3 (still on hiatus) and i really hope to learn more about him in the future, such as his favorite plants, animals, countries, ethnicities, and his favorite books. 

this is the longest post on the forum, but don't worry, I'm still thinking. 

[spongelevator]

ok since I do not really have anything of particular interest for this post I am just gonna strike while the iron's mildly warm (we are delicately heating a divine nectar) and make this reply right now (other one still gonna take a long ass time)

ok I did not care enough to actually look myself at any point (so this entire paragraph is gonna be "I read the wiki once and do not know") other than when I remembered marisa was able to use non-hakkero magic
I have no idea if the wiki is right or wrong and this applies to the entire paragraph because this is all non-sourced wiki information
but it said something like "marisa can use one of the highest levels of magic available to humans, possibly due to living in the forest of magic"
while sumireko was said to be able to teleport and use psychokinesis and many other things I would assume marisa would be using if they could be learned
no idea how the occult balls work so if that is the most important part and I am now realizing it probably is (don't want to rewrite paragraph lol) then you can disregard every word of this though
I only have like 5 interest in anything sumireko shows up in so I honestly have no idea the most I ever did was look at the wiki and think "man what"
honestly I don't know how the whole ability thing works in the first place because "everyone is supposed to have an ability" but then there are times when it just doesn't really make sense why or someone appears not to have one and they have to work for it
no idea
also with renko's ability one of the two parts of it is already (somewhat) achievable in real life from what I've heard
I forgot how so this could also be 100% false but it includes looking at a certain constellation and you should be pretty accurate (30-60 minute margin of error)
it does not matter here because renko can find the time exactly (but has to convert from GMT) so it clearly isn't the same at all but eh I mention because is pretty neat
also does sumireko move to kyoto for university I remember trying to find out how sumireko is related to kyoto and where she goes to university but neither of these things seemed to be mentioned at all even if I used very cool and brute forcey "kyoto" "sumireko"
eh I guess I find out in a very long time


I'm a formatting attorney!

when speaking of hell I mean "we know vaguely how the whole thing works but only a handful of actual parts of it"
we go there sometimes but not often
also both hell in real life mythology which is massive and hell in 2hus which honestly feels like "not gensokyo or lunar capital" is what I meant
with current 2hu knowledge exclusively the size is not noteworthy but the rest is
we know whatever the hell pong was and 17+.5 and that there is an old hell because it got too crowded and they had to make a new hell (however that works)
as well as characters that come from there and their relations to gensokyo
and there's political conflicts and financial problems but also lotsa freedom down there
there's enough for something and for there to be some amount of curiosity but all ZUN gonna do is make some strange goat child and say "take it or leave it"
most of the wacky stuff I think was in interviews or something but it's been too long for me to care to find them to put here so I will care about it again in 6 months perhaps
that or I just read a wikipedia on the actual thing and imagine newhus in there instead of waiting 10 years to realize it's gonna stay "mildly noteworthy place that won't be expanded upon"
if you want big but worthless take uhhhhhhhhhhh sanzu river it's infinitely big and there's just shinigami and dead fish (more on dead fish later)


hakurei shrine god's identity honestly feels like a "not enough information to care" 
I know there's probably like 500000000 pages of innanet discushon about it but we know pretty much nothing
it's entertaining to talk about as long as nobody actually expects it to go anywhere but then again that could go for like every single unexplained thing in (or even not in) 2hus this one just concerns a protagonist and I am more interested in whether MEDICINE MELANCHOLY can cause an OPIUM EPIDEMIC in gensokyo
and also what was up with the yin yang orb in google "atari breakout" do we just disregard that with the new "magatama lady found a fishing hook and made it into a weapon" or what because I remember theories about the hakurei god based on yin yang orb
at least magatama lady is a kool kustomer
all I can really say about it is "hakurei god is actually the shrine itself except this is all happening within a dream happening within a dream" and now I'm the winner haha chump you didn't pinch yourself to make sure

I gonna go drink a water

ok I'm back

honestly when it comes to maeli baeli han I find her more interesting than any of the theories because they always focus on "melly is yukarin!!!!!???????" except some sort of connection (almost certainly them being the same person) results in her being referred to as "proto-yukari" by many
like come on we have this weird foreigner from a lineage of weird people who see weird stuff in a weird world and we gotta focus on the yukalin again for the 2151th time
if it has to be this way it can even be focusing more on the process of this transformation instead of reading a 10 page long argument on time travel and parallel universes in half an A press because it would become intriguing in a different way
anyway my theorie is that mally=yukan=renk and they're all the same person at the same time but ZUN just likes to play games and he is an UNRELIABLE NARRATOR so he makes us believe there are three but truly humanity is all one and the same

ok I looked at the lenen thing and if there is nothing to say about that I guess I understand the hell thing well enough now
though it might just be there's nothing to talk about it because lenen is usually regarded as "the most popular touhou alternative" so you're only gonna find people talking about it where they talk about 2hus
and since all touhou forums are dried up lenen is already dead I dunno you tell me
if this is the case though could it be less "there's nothing to say about it" and more "nobody bothered thinking anything of it"
as someone who does not want to find out I can say with confidence "uh whuhh I dunno lol"
the thing keeping ME from talkin about the apparent polar bears within mugenri is the main girl looks like a god damn patapon and its other "touhou alternative" competition includes seihou where we have a lovely cactus-powered toaster created by revolver ocelot and if it's western it must be taking place in the US of A take that polar bears can't beat the red white and blue

I think the reading comprehension part of my brain has been damaged because I literally cannot comprehend the part that comes after the mugenri thing so I'm just gonna act like that isn't there okay friend

aint gensokyo arguably plagued by way more issues nowadays than before
earlier it was just "some moron caused an issue that lasted for a day or two and then they drank" if you disregard the los angeles-like DiPP but now it's political religious moral complication the moon will literally genocide you if you don't bring them a bucket of chicken every day at 17:30 sharp type stuff
obvious blatant exaggeration but methinks, perhaps, the tickle of opposition within my want-to-grill mind, states that, by any chance, gensokyo may or may not be in a less peaceful state in the current day than before, if you will excuse my insolence and feeble conjecture, and this would mean that gensokyo is not, truly, in a more peaceful time than its earlier years
(japes aside this abominable sentence now has me wondering about really old gensokyo and what THAT was like despite the complete lack of information about it)

I know not the identity of this tsubasa wo kudasai but I am sorry to say we spend our time dismantling nukes so that we can (legitimately) unlock the disarmament cutscene and definitely not have some random guy make it play a few times every year so people can say "eh good enough" so we will have to take away her plutonium and uranium supplies my deepest apologies for this

2hu has usually been good about giving enough information to do things with but not enough to know everything 100% though it doesn't really seem to "work" anymore
specifically with the new casts that get nothing despite being in pretty close to the same circumstances as early windows 
yet the existence of the (more developed) early-mid windows results in those getting way more fanwork anyway??? I do not comprehend

obviously there's the stuff that came early and then went from "ambiguous" to "wrong compared to canon" but there's still way more stuff of those games being made anyway and it's pretty common to see canon be ignored so honestly I'm not even sure how much the mystery truly plays into it anymore (or perhaps a certain level of mystery is required which is why 2hus only got big around 2006-2008 when manga and artbooks started happening more)
also no I am not one of those "if it's not canon it's garbo" I literally do not care I think inaba&inaba is the best worst most mediocre 2hus manga and seeing the watatsukis (who are under constant surveillance and suspicion) come to eientei (the one place they should never, ever go) for a gag visit is 100% good but it is strange to see

did not play ctc do not want to play ctc but almost everything I've heard about it past the year of 2007+1 strikes it once for going against canon even at the time and strikes it twice for using the tiny bit of canon it used poorly (also ending is a no no)
it honestly sounds dead on arrival and considering that it blew up in america having one of the first actually quality fangame translations at the birth of a trend (2007) yet caught not one gaze in the land of glorious nihon aint doing it any favors no siree 
my entire post is gonna read like I am contrarian for the sake of being contrarian but this is not my intention I am just a sponge I do not know what I am doing seriously

sips yakult

crushes yakult out of plane of existence with 999kg grip strength

I do not know the undertale I "played" it the same way persona 5 fans "played" persona 5 back in the year of 2011+4 after my mother 3 friend told me "hey this guy who made mother 3-1 hack is making new game" because all I had was a chromebook too old to get any more chrome updates with a whopping 4gb of ram allowing it to show me the desktop of ubuntu and then freeze
I do vaguely recall the amalgamate lab though and when a game has a lab you know shit's gonna go down and in that game it did 
chimera lab from mother 3 except now instead of humorous dogfish you get spawn of satan dog with 12 legs (pascal the dog is here)
I literally do not know what the rest is so I will say (skip)

don't need to take a break buddy (breaks arm) (unbreaks arm) (drinks entire gallon jug of milk)

fighting games were cool for that I do not remember or care what I said about them so instead of understanding your response I will ask why the modern fighting games have no FLOOR I want a FLOOR what will we ever do without our soft, reliable friend that is the carpet holding us all up
because of this, I'm sorry, I just, I just can't... I just can't like to-ho-fifteen-point-five... not after what they did... the carpet we've lost... the actually good cast we lost... the functional netplay we lost... it's like they're all still there... you feel it too, don't you?
honestly I was thinking about that the other day how games where you can use more than like
two damn characters are always better regardless of series
in 2hu mainline you get to use in most cases 2-4 characters (only one at a time) and pretty much never get to play as anyone other than the protagonists with the exceptions being fighting games and PoFV
and that sucks
sure I can still choose sanny but that won't make up for a game with a big but not too big cast of characters (monster collecting games have too many, the genre is fine but in this example they aint cutting it) where you can learn about all of them and use whoever you want even if it turns out every character you like sucks because that's just how things go
routes also nice especially when you can choose from the beginning and they actually change more than like two lines of dialogue though god forbid there's like 20 of them and you need to play all of them to know what happened

『OKINA』: yeah I don't know either lol I will just try to make something out of what you said because I aint scrollin up
when they say "yukari 2" it's basically she's taken over the roll of gensokyo's "pain in the ass"
doing all the mastermind nonsense, has a gap-like power, physically looks similar (well not the clothes but you know), mysterious, a sage
the main difference I can think of is that okina is actually confirmed to be very powerful 
but ZUN seems to make her way too similar for people not to think that and especially since yukarin! hasn't done anything noteworthy or been particularly relevant in a while

I do not know who you mean with early windows themes but considering my way with words
(verwell
I do not know what that means)
I will assume this gratuitous award is directed towards yours truly and accept it gladly

yeah I heard centipede theme it's one where I can't tell if I like it or not because it sounds almost familiar and then not familiar
she has a very cool hair though so that must mean her theme is good 

all I know about lisa is my friend told me to play it four and a half years ago so I put 1.2 hours in it and got terry hintz and I knew I had seen the peak and it wouldn't get any better from here
no I will not play the rest I have seen the light and the light told me to not play steam games and play 3ds games instead

you know what my favorite theme is? do ya? you think you know my favorite theme, huh? you think you'se a smart guy, you'se a funny guy? well mr. funnypants, I can tell ya, I don't play by the rules. favorite themes, favorite themes deluxe, it's all the same to me! so, comedian-in-the-making, here it is, provided by carpet the great to our audience of jokers:


nah all post is post as long as it's not randomly generated toho storylines it is good
I am sponge I soak up words and then look like a balled up newspaper
why? because it's funny lol

my favorite theme is when the story is about "be nice person" because then you get to see the dog at the end of the game and the dog isn't dead because you didn't punch a guy in the face who 15 years later would cause the conception and result in the implosion of the milky way galaxy

I don't know what a rhodes piano is but I know rhode island
yeah that is literally the only thing I have to say to your post I am sorry 
at least I didn't bring up quahog (oh wait I just did)

hello carpet I am glad to see you speak of sumimeganekko
I'll be honest, I forgot she was a wooden youkai
I've heard of metal youkai, earth youkai, water youkai, fire youkai, but I forgot about the fifth important wooden youkai that relies on resilience to fight back against the dastardly magic-using youkai
picking your element at the beginning of the game is an important choice and I usually went for metal because I liked the exclusive boss (yuyuko) more, but fighting okina after the heart-wrenching wooden-mage cutscene is quite the experience too
seems like aeon has to play another 4 or 3 or 2 or 1 routes, huh? aeon aeon aeon, didn't even play the fire route where you fight against sumikenko after her betrayal...

hello carpet I am glad to see you speak of ten thousand minceraft worlds
I do not think you should tell us the mysteries of gensokyo because that would open a rift which would cause the majority of mankind to perish as the now-invincible youkai flood the earth in revenge
though ten thousand fish and ten thousand chocolate bars sounds nice
what will it be? are fish friends, or food?
perhaps ten thousand fish is a lifetime of flounder, or but a few shirasu-don
it depends, really. would you get all the fish at once? would it be able to spoil? or would you be able to get it whenever you want with a limit?
with the information given, it could be an amazing bargain, or an utter catastrophe. where would the fish show up? would they crush the roof? can I share? 
with the current risks, I don't think I could accept the offer. I change my mind. in the worst case scenario, the fish have crushed us, and everything will smell awful when it inevitably rots in a few days without proper refrigeration and sanitation. 
if the fish are alive we can pick a critically endangered species like the pondicherry shark to create ten thousand of (though this may cause other issues, it is preferable to ten thousand pounds of rotting flesh)
ten thousand chocolate bars is much less of a risk, though. you can get ten thousand ritter sport bars and sell them for a good price. they would last for years and in the event that they crush your room, you can sell them for $3 each and make $30000 excluding the effort going into selling them, likely enough to improve the room drastically.

hello carpet I am glad to see you miss ol spubleotu
I have waited two months for your return and seeing you lively makes this old dish cleaning apparatus proud
my favorite plant is the cactus (if I do not have to go near it)
my favorite animal is the Pyrococcus furiosus because those little guys are intense
my favorite country is antartica because nobody will bother you there if you want to become a l33t n33t g4m3r
my favorite ethnicities are Anti-Shadow Suppression Weapons, human model combat-robots, lilim, Pleasant-type City Subjugation Weapons, and any other toasters because they can toast bagels and shoot any rabid amazon package drones that try to attack the fort with alexa electromagnetic pulse technology
my favorite book is nekomonogatari black because I enjoy the part where I did not read a book in three years and then got to see "I want to lick the wound where your dad hit you"

I hope you are satisfied with these answers carpet I know you are still thinking and I am too but we all think so keep thinking and you'll always be thinking

thanka you so much for to reading my post!
it may sound like I am pissed or something but nah I just decided to make the entire post half-assed japes and very exaggerated so I could reply to carpet sooner but I was too late :( apparently three hours late good lord
BUT I also do not want to redo it so I'm posting it anyway

good god 3377 words
if this took 3 hours then I think expect the longpost in a bit longer than I said because I'll probably put aside a day to make it
no shortening, no high fructose corn syrup, 100% genuine uncut longpost is baking
ok I thought it was the 10th-15th but it's the 18th end of month my ass I suppose it will just done when it is

[Aeon]

rys
i have nothing to add to what you said but i respect your understanding of music
men's hair club is a classic
give me a moment to listen to that pofv track
alright, i totally forgot about this prebattle theme, you're right about it. much more foreboding vibe than the usual eastern story motif tracks carry

HI SPONGEY (spongelevator )

yeah i think the ability thing is a bit of a formality at this point
i also remembered mokou's ability of immortality. if medicine counts i will gain the ability of "resistant to tummy hurts" after eating tums
so i will now take the terminology "ability" to mean "good at"
in light fervors of the past i have considered trying to learn the renko ability but then i go outside and there are literally no stars anywhere (light pollution :[). i guess by her time they figured out how to recycle light
as far as i can tell there is no actual evidence for sumireko getting off her ass to do the dishes or her homework let alone moving across the country. entirely speculation

about hakurei god:
you areeeeee right it isn't a big deal at all. i would say i used to think more about it but it hasn't been brought up in such a long time it isn't a big deal. i brought it up because it's like there's your space for mystery but there is no mystery already there. very surprised ms. tamatsukuri (lit: ballmaker) did not really bring up anything about it since the orbs apparently contain the god's power
which i read in a game from uh
from the 90s
yeah not exactly reliable information

mery:
PERSONALLY i am a LARGE FAN of maribel even barring the purple, as well. if i did not know who yukari was and just read the hifuu story bits i would still like them very much
and it could be said that maribel's border visualization is more interesting than yukari's border manipulation because it doesn't have the capacity to do whatever any time. much more adventurous for an adventurous little duo (LARGE FAN of renko as well and also even without the sumireko part (i did not learn about sumireko until after i knew about renko))
once pandora's box is open and you play pcb phantasm stage for the first time at school and have to give up the 1cc because math class just started though: it can't be closed and you are gonna know about yukari whenever you look at maribel BUT i would certainly not call her proto-yukari

len'en thing:
you are right the only len'en forums i've seen are pretty dead. the discord server is very active and absolutely ravenous about all len'en stuff that exists. every word by the dev and every fangame gets translated within a matter of hours. neat stuff: but no forums, and any started now probably won't be gaining any traction.

thing after len'en thing:
i am very sorry. i contracted chuunibyou years ago in 8th grade and haven't recovered since.

gensokyo has some stuff goin on but i would say its pretty mellow. i mean i can't think of a more serious incident than like imperishable night, at all. there's sumireko almost accidentially breaking the barrier and kasen *almost* getting reimu trapped for good but other than that its mostly stuff that gets resolved with talking behind the scenes or any of the sages vaguely knowing whats going on (14.5 kasen, 15 eirin (sage of the moon, it counts), 15.5 yukari, 17.5 okina). hell, unconnected marketeers' incident is already resolved before stage one.

early windows favoritism. sucks.
there seems to be such a hard line between ten desires and post-ten desires for representation in both official and fan stuff, special case for doremy and okina
it could be because there are simply a lot of them and the chance of you knowing what i mean when i say charizard is much higher than if i say cinderace (case in point: i had to look this up)
even though i like some of the new ones it also seems harder to include them in places
like i know exactly where the sdm is, down the shrine path, through the forest, and past the lake. where is junko
where do i go if i want to hang out with jo'on or chimata
alternatively: some places can mean literally anybody. i guess i could see mike or eternity larva or narumi at the forest of magic but i could also see just about anybody else. functionally homeless
whereas eosd its 3 4 5 6 scarlet devil mansion ufo its 1 3 4 5 6 myouren temple
i'm talkin out my ass at this point NEXT PARAGRAPH

concealed the concluding my posts eventually:
< me (murasa minamitsu)
have i been truly fooled by my own design? is concealed the confused not the famous worldwide touhou fangame that everybody likes that i thought it was? was that one post on reddit i saw once the unpopular opinion? damn it
okay well i thought it was awesome and made sense for the time and i worked very hard to clear phantasm stage in the era before i was putting autobomb in everything

undert:
sorry again for the undertale posting i was just pressing the buttons i know on my keyboard. i am unfortunately a fake fan since i have not played any mother game


i hope your bones are okay

fighting games:
carpet... that's what we've been missing this entire time. my friend. my dearest carpet . aid us in our time of need. join tasofro.
i will admit i am getting a bit more disillusioned every time i try to play the new trilogy online with someone who is more than ten feet away from me. then i think about playing rivals with touhou mods instead but nobody has rivals
i actually am not a big fan of fighting games in general and i would usually much prefer any kinda top down or side scrolling or third person shooter to it especially given that we would be able to use the powers of the crazy flying girls more freely BUT i do very much also like being able to multiplayer in so many ways on official games. 17.5 unfortunately does not grant the freedom i would want out of a nonfighting game due to the controls but also doesn't have multiplayer. still a very cool game but it wont replace the floor

about multiple characters:
it has yet to be formally announced or released in any capacity but i am working on a danmakugame with a pal that has a key feature of multiple characters with different routes and encourages playing all of them with their funny gimmicks. i HOPE you will like it when a demo comes out in february probably

okina:
TRUE i forgot she is also a blonde who sits while looking smug

LISA:
my sister did the same thing i understand
there are many good 3ds games

your favorite theme: is a banger
thank you maki ligon
but buddy, buddy, i don't think i'm a smart guy. i ain't a funny guy. i'm not even likable or friendly. amigo you don't know shit i'm not even here. i'm not even here. you think you see me? you think i'm posting? on god? you think i would? ME? i don't got the TIME for that. here, here, lemme humor you. if you can find one post of mine, even one, i'll give it to you. all of it. my dollas. my cash. my personal collection of the world's best stepmania maps. but you can't do it. here's my favorite theme.




for the sake of inconvenience i'm going to respond to carpet within this post at the point in which you responded to them so
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carpet
sorry carpet, that's where you're wrong. see, i've been compiling a list of the sumirekos over the years, and we aren't talking about wooden youkai sumireko. we're talking about sumireko c-137 and her variants phi and omega. the wooden youkai sumireko absolutely cannot under any circumstances be introduced to our sumirekos or there would be a viscious brawl. they would get so mad at wooden youkai sumireko for not getting hit by all of their magic, and then not being able to attack back, like sans. they would then be mad at wooden youkai sumireko for being the only person allowed to attack, like sans. being on either side after collapsing the quantum superposition function to determine if wooden youkai sumireko can or can not use magic is very annoying. i met her once while playing overwatch and she disabled all of my skills and my ultimate. i think you need to play more overwatch before you are qualified to talk to me about wooden youkai sumireko
sponge i will NOT be playing the wood route, i picked water once and that's the only route you can meet "blue kogasa" due to her dying offscreen any other route as you know. she is my favorite touhou character and i will not be able to cope with knowing she is dead for the whole game

your post is very thematically relevant and the foreshadowing of leonidas subtly slipped into the post before spongelevator revealed his true favorite theme that brought it back in full reprise is incredible


homie! yo! it's that one! lilim! right? i know em!
they're makin a new game! eventually! i think!? very classy stuff
i am a square who can not and would not drink alcohol so i always prepared exotic and rare soda to go with the game. highly recommended
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your post has many words (good thing) and they do not sound pissed all is good
again i am sorry for taking so long when you literally got back to me like instantly. i am speeding up slowly over time to regain my former power
maybe i will make another thread because there is one part in here i could not fully respond to without going way off topic. i think i will do that mmmm tomorrow

[spongelevator]

here we go time for the uhhhhhhh
nth reply of no longer the title holder for longest post in the forum thread but probably like 2nd place or something 
grab a hot dog and a straw and let's get down to business

yes it's me aeon of the aeon arcana I am a sponge tis me who replyeth to thine stone tablet scribe with my sophisticated cave paintings

mokotan has the I think unexplained origins fire ability (also guya has eternity manipulation along with hourai elixir)
probably that would be her innate one and then the immortality is just a "she fuqued up lmao" so now she can become kamikaze infinito
I dunno if the immortality would be the ability or if it would be the other ability they have or if they have two because standos can't have two abilities! well except for the one with three
I will take ability as "a bility" and "bility" is bill itty it's a very small itty bitty spider named bill
they are very popular in/not in gensokyo everyone has one

sorry buddy those stars are gonna cost ya $50,000 to see they've been copyrighted by didney corporations and we are legally required to shield your eyes from their time-telling powers with cronkey city lights as a result

ok I am just gonna like forget sumireko existed okay I did not end up reading cola still and we aint touchin no 15.5 or 14.5 right maybe hopefully so sumireko was, is, and cannot be real as a result

yeah who cares about the hakurei shrine god the important god is uhhh

it's uhhhh you know uhhhh

the one with the uhhhhh

the important one

hina


hina

I have no idea how the balls work so for the sake of the discussion I believe the best assumption is that they are bballs and the hakurei god is actually charles barkley 


(god using up all my images at once)
it would explain a lot of things like the disappearance of hakurei suzumiya (charles barkley is a fictional character) and why the balls can bounce which is a trait only shared within the bball family

not even gonna bring the (unspeakable) up just melly
yeah bein able to see border is very nice because it leaves the adventure to the author except that's how all books go so it feels normal and you get to see BAMBOO SHOOTS that are REAL and not FAKE 2151 is not a fun time for bamboo shoot lovers (I am not one of them)

witness the adventures of merry and berry and hearn (the third mario brother?!?)

you have been enlightened

ok from this point on if random images start showing up in my older posts it's because I'm uploading images there so that I can embed them here because 3 image limit is absolutely not usable and I have committed this crime in the past anyhow you cannot catch me lunyred enforcement I will bypass the image limit WITHOUT having to use the imgur

before and after lenen thing:
whuh

ok I cannot tell if I am missing something but isn't imperishable night like not at all a threat it's just a fake moon covering the real moon 
basically just the lunalien version of scarlet devil
I have no idea what I said last time and I refuse to scroll up and read english words (we don't do that here) so I will just say uhhhhhh
LoLK (and I guess ULiL)
literally don't remember anything else 
unless you mean not "danger potential" but "actual danger happening at the moment" which then I do not know because I forgot

yeah that thing about the locations was earlier in here I think that is probably the main reason anyone in those casts is limited to like twelve images and a 4koma gag manga and nothing else
either too far from the main cast or like
nowhere I guess
junky probably sittin on the couch with aunty heck and clownpiss, her daughter, in this mythical "hell" location we have heard of

oh christ it's like maximum size
ok just pretend it's not

as far as I know nobody other than english-speaking people in the years between whenever ctc came out and 2012 particularly cared for the game but I was not there at that time it's just every mention of ctc I found past the year of like 2012 was people asking why it was so popular because they say it was not well done
I only ever read the plot summary many months ago and then immediately forgot about it so I do not know but turn that frown upside down and show some teeth (that way you are the other funny face)

if undertale is so good, why isn't there OVERtale??????? (actually I think there was but this is like 5-6 year old crusty back-of-the-fridge memories so I dunno)
other than the whole "suddenly very popular rpg series since some period of time between 2010-2015 I forgot" and "potentially influenced an ungodly amount of trend of the week indie rpgs" that mother has you probably will not die if you don't play them (probably)
they got nice ass musics and wacky stuff and good story (I dunno about mother 1 or "earthbound beginnings" or "revelations: earthbound" or whatever the hell the english localization called it because I did not play it for 7 months and now it is banished to the 3ds backlog) but since they're rpgs they kinda play like ass
the scrolling hp system makes it hectic at times and mother 3's combo system is rewarding if you aren't trying to make it work on an emulator (lol) and also it has buffs
but otherwise ehhhhh they are very nice but I wouldn't call them my favorite games or anything
I believe your time would be better spent playing a REAL game like plane tetris or wii play's fishing minigame (if you haven't caught king of the pond you haven't lived)


gets arm shattered by bear that I shot with a water gun
hide behind flimsy tent to block bear, spray arm with canola oil
bones come back together, it's not over yet
punch bear 45 times in the face with metal arm
checkmate
he's knocked out
move in for the kill
strap a balloon onto his back, bring him back to my house 
make him do the dishes and mow the lawn
that'll teach you to mess with the boss

yeah that 90 second 15.5 match turning into a 270 second match is quite the achievement
makes me want to play.... hmm..... a game with NO TIME LIMIT so I can press the down button until the keyboard shatters
that's right time limit is for people who punch their opponent once and then turn off the game for a TKO
I don't have rivals because this is gen 6 and we're all friends and everything is very easy but at least the online doesn't suck
(gale wings)
never mind

honestly yeah all the soku/fighting game in general glory is gone
at least p4a and melt blood have toasties and soku has feesh but it's worth playing like once a month at most
just want some mgo3 again even though it is horribly unbalanced and the servers are ass 
more multiplayer options is always nice though for when you gotta hwhip out the touhou gensokyo reloaded to pick meimu and accidentally win because it's that crusty

very well I shall witness the multiple routes game I probably will not be able to beat featuring such classics as shou (stage 5 boss) and orin (stage 5 boss) when it is time

yes okki is the joe swanson of gensokyo, rhode island
honestly weird that ZUN did that though because nearly everyone seems to think they are way too similar in every single way other than like two angry people who probably have an actual compelling argument but I don't care enough to find them and learn the truth as to why okki and yakumo yukarin! are not the same at all

>find one post of mine



listen I know you only played blue kogasa and she gets killed offscreen in the other routes but there's a reason for that
in crimson flowering night (this can be a lot of references actually, can't it?) you find out kogasa died offscreen because she's been dead for years

that "kogasa" you met up with in blue kogasa? actually the ANTAGONIST of the other routes, already a demon, "killed" offscreen because she was of no more use to shameimaru, leader of the secret wind tribe 
you have to let go, aeon of the aeon tribe
kogasa has been gone for so long...
this "thing" is no longer the bubbly umbrella friend you once knew
a shell of her former self, soul chained down to the earth with unholy kappa technology...


yep, that's right, hun! it's me, dorothy, and I'm here to remind you to wash the gunk out from your usb drives!
all kinds of stuff can get in there! crumbs, lint, jelly beans... wash it out as much as you can! and remember, if you trust the dolphin, you go to hell before you die!

yeah there shall be n1rv ann-a 
they said it will be done when it be done and I thought they said that recently but apparently it was december 2020 so that isn't very recent anymore is it
sadly will not be on ps vita, ultimate g4m3r system, so I will have to use gross and slimy personal computer when it be done
alachol is a sinful beverage the holy man must drink only water straight from the source among the elk and hares
both of the bar nighttime games I know tend to be quite the something though whether it is this one or catherine (on sale steam right now 6 dolla only for a few more days do it become a kyasarin(original) gamer full body messed stuff up) and are favorites within their respective genres
catherine is not much similar at all honestly it just has bar and the important stuff takes place during the night and you can also talk to other people in the bar to help them not die which I suppose is quite similar to the "don't mess up with this person and you get their ending"
actually it is way more similar just a good amount less dialogue and a good amount more blocks
also nice musik and jukebox to change what plays in the bar though it's not like va11 hall-a where you choose a list of 10 songs instead you choose one song at a time from a list of catherine/other megaten musics
man I am looking in my save file where jill can't pay rent with her forty-five thousand dollars again and got dang I chose good ones

catherine has actual gameplay past looking up how to make a flaming moai for better or for worse depending on if you like nightmares more than wagie but both fit their respective games nicely so who cares
anyway anyway both are very good "play some at night" games instead of "play for 12 hours straight" games and scratch the same itch depending on if I want +gameplay or +atmosphere (they're even around the same length) that is probably maybe what I meant by this

building up speed can have its consequences
accidentally land in another universe and things will never be the same
be careful, young one


shit I forgot a theme uhh uhhh

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWJ-MWfdiOM

[Aeon]

imperishable nighto:
going to the wiki to check up on things when making these responses feels like cheating during a test. too bad i am an evil student
and HERE is my refurbished understanding
yukari weirds the boundary between night and day and/or sakuya extends the night because the moon is funky and they want time to figure out what's going on with it. the moon is funked because eirin is doing a large-scale magic that will seperate the earth and the moon (presumably forever) so they can't come down and take sakuya. this is bad for various obvious reasons, although none of them immediately affect anyone other than yukari (likes to troll the moon) and remilia (is going to go on vacation shortly (to the moon))
the funked moon combined with yukari/sakuya's meddling is also making youkai hang out a lot more than they normally would, so bad for humans

for the things i do not directly respond to i am sorry i just have nothing to say but i did read it all

junko/clownpiece/hecatia i think are funny specifically because they show up once and then just do not participate at all aside from clownpiece having a bit of fun. they are just hanging out on the couch playing death stranding (ps4)

here's an image to break up the text

saddened to hear that concealed the conclusion is not the legendary entry i thought it was. next you're gonna tell me imperfect metamorphosis isn't world renouned either and i went through 1.5 million words to be an outcast instead of a coolguy (i am aware)

my man you KNOW ive caught the king of the pond. never owned it myself so i had a grinding scession for it at a pal's house

NO TIME LIMIT dude why is that not the standard for being at least an option. so many dead rounds of skullgirls after a minute and a half. i get why it's there but there's a lotta things about fighting games that just seem to be there out of tradition and not with actual reason behind it other than "competitive players usually like it". props to second fighting game trilogy for having a block button you can use instead of walking backwards (stupid) but unfortunately it also kinda sucks

hmm.......yukari......the same as someone else..........what if........no.........couldnt be.....but what if

calling it now yukari is okina from the parallel universe where they keep all the versions of windows touhou games with mima in them and she is here to RELEASE mima into this universe through the CHEATING DETECTIVE SATORI scandal (i am two chapters behind)

listen. spongelevator. elevator. vator. the vator. can i call you the vator? listen, the vator, i know you. we're good buds. chums. pals. but ya see, i think you forgot that. you are a man of class. restrained power. that's how you roll and i think that's cool. you use mspaint exclusively. me? i hop between paint dot net, aseprite, firealpaca, whatever. but you're built different. you're loyal. you wouldn't just change software for a rebuke. see, i'm not some city-slicker. i know what it's like. i know you can't rotate things in intervals less than 90 degrees in mspaint. that is a FAKE post and i will have NONE of it. you surely drew it by hand. incredible pixelart but not a real post of mine since there aren't any.

damn it... kogasa, what happened... we were so close to figuring the truth out behind the ultimate incident
i've been holding on to a broken future this whole time, just for blue kogasa
there has to be a way to save her! find out in touhou: five elements 2!

hi dorothy!! i lost all my usbs unfortunately i cant charge my phone or use my external keyboard

the jukebox is really cool, my save is on a different computer so i can't bring it up right now
sometimes i just punch in valhalla ost and slap it on while doin business since it is so good
i know about catherine but i have not played it. looks funny

today's official theme is fall in the dark by shibayan records